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No balance whining. 2-day temp bans will be handed out like candy.
KonohaFlash
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1590 Posts
January 23 2011 08:34 GMT
#3721
On January 23 2011 17:33 Dexx wrote:
MKP uses Marines only in the early game. But later on switches to Marauders and steamrolls anything. A CC goes down in 5 seconds with 15 stimmed Marauders.



That's what +3 upgrades do
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
January 23 2011 08:34 GMT
#3722
On January 23 2011 17:32 kiniko wrote:
^

i really enjoy mkp's style, it's very decisive and risky, reminisicent of fruitdealers style in season 1

- i bet mkp can be a really scary zerg if he was a zerg player


People should watch MKP if they want to become better zergs

Hidden super fast expos, early mobile aggression, harasses and basetrades into swarming shit.
kiniko
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada163 Posts
January 23 2011 08:34 GMT
#3723
On January 23 2011 17:33 Dexx wrote:
MKP uses Marines only in the early game. But later on switches to Marauders and steamrolls anything. A CC goes down in 5 seconds with 15 stimmed Marauders.


nah, he gets whatever is necessary to adapt to his opponent, he got tanks in the steppes game to break the contain
kiniko
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada163 Posts
January 23 2011 08:37 GMT
#3724
On January 23 2011 17:34 Dalavita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 17:32 kiniko wrote:
^

i really enjoy mkp's style, it's very decisive and risky, reminisicent of fruitdealers style in season 1

- i bet mkp can be a really scary zerg if he was a zerg player


People should watch MKP if they want to become better zergs

Hidden super fast expos, early mobile aggression, harasses and basetrades into swarming shit.


in an alternate universe, he's dominating as zerg, under the id MKP, MutaKingPrime.WE
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
January 23 2011 08:38 GMT
#3725
Game 4 was ridiculous when you think about it. At one point Jinro had like 2x the SCV count but MKP was still ahead in income because he had like 4 orbitals
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 23 2011 08:39 GMT
#3726
On January 23 2011 17:34 Dalavita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 17:32 kiniko wrote:
^

i really enjoy mkp's style, it's very decisive and risky, reminisicent of fruitdealers style in season 1

- i bet mkp can be a really scary zerg if he was a zerg player


People should watch MKP if they want to become better zergs

Hidden super fast expos, early mobile aggression, harasses and basetrades into swarming shit.

His bio with all those medivacs and near limitless stims feel more deadly and mobile than a large zerg army on creep.

He's a beast.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Monkeyshark
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
January 23 2011 08:44 GMT
#3727
On January 23 2011 17:38 hugman wrote:
when you think about it.


You weren't thinking about it. Having more scv with not much to mine doesn't mean jack.
haruk
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
January 23 2011 08:48 GMT
#3728
On January 23 2011 17:26 SiegeFlank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 17:08 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On January 23 2011 17:04 SiegeFlank wrote:
It was a good run Jinro, round of 4 two seasons in a row is nothing at all to be ashamed about.

Not to undermine MKP's skill, but I do still think Jinro is the stronger player. A lot of MKP's play seems to rely on many gimmicks (sneaking the gold expo game 2, weird proxy play in game 3, double expand game 4, and trying to force a base race in general). It seemed like Jinro put a lot more thought into his play.


I don't get it, when Boxer did this, people called him brilliant revolutionary amazing god of Starcraft. Foxer does it (get what I did there?) and people think he's weak? He's not weak. He's playing brilliantly. He's doing tailor made builds to pick Jinro apart. It's what every OSL winner has done to win the trophy. They don't sit there and try to do the conventional build on every map and hope that they will somehow have superior mechanics that take them to victory. It's horribly underestimating your opponent when you do that.

AKA Why Stork has gotten so many silvers. He was arrogant and thought his mechanics were superior, then he'd get fucking picked apart by custom made builds. It's the same reason why he finally ended up beating Fantasy in an OSL. He put his ego aside and did really brilliant builds to pick Fantasy apart.


By no means am I trying to say that MKP is a weak player. And I'm not trying to argue that Jinro is superior because of mechanics at all (in fact I'd argue that MKP's mechanics are generally superior). Jinro's play just seemed more creative and planned out than MKP's, but in such a way that he would have more to fall back on if things didn't go quite right. In MKP's case, he was almost dead when he decided to try and take the gold in game 2, and when he decided to surprise drop Jinro at the last moment during game 1. He really makes a lot of risky decisions and I can only wonder how long they'll keep favoring him.

Again, I'm not saying MKP is a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. All of the decisions he made were excellent, but risky. Perhaps gimmick was a poor word to describe it. I just think that Jinro is generally the better player just between being able to play very safe but very creative builds.


Uh, I think you have it the other way around. Doesn't Jinro have the safe, standard builds (he plays regular TvT) and MKP the crazy creative builds?
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
January 23 2011 08:49 GMT
#3729
If anyone still thinks Foxer is anything short of amazing then there's something seriously wrong with them. As Nazgul said, he played BEAUTIFULLY. I like Jinro as much as the next guy, but people should finally admit that Foxer is an incredibly talanted player. What people many times miss while watching his absurd micro is that he also has very very solid macro. Hell, no other player could pull such a unique playstyle FOR SO LONG (Foxer's basically played only TvT's this whole season - except one TvP) and continuously win.

I'd say Foxer has a great chance in the final. I'll certainly be rooting for him.
Somi
Profile Joined August 2010
Pakistan123 Posts
January 23 2011 08:54 GMT
#3730
Can anyone pm me or link here the livestream?
For the Swarm!
refraxion
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada88 Posts
January 23 2011 08:56 GMT
#3731
On January 23 2011 17:54 Somi wrote:
Can anyone pm me or link here the livestream?


www.gomtv.net
Somi
Profile Joined August 2010
Pakistan123 Posts
January 23 2011 08:57 GMT
#3732
On January 23 2011 17:56 refraxion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 17:54 Somi wrote:
Can anyone pm me or link here the livestream?


www.gomtv.net


Sorry, I meant re-stream..
For the Swarm!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-23 09:02:21
January 23 2011 09:01 GMT
#3733
After the game : podcast talking about the GSL ro4 that just happened is live here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=185697
direct link to the stream : http://www.livestream.com/duckvillelol

For idra lovers, he's streaming and analysing his replays on the JP's stream live right now too. (see calendar for link)
PikaXchU
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore379 Posts
January 23 2011 09:08 GMT
#3734
Honestly, all MKP lacks for his bio are Ghosts. A few tactical nukes would unsiege those tanks for him to steam roll them over. If we see that kind of play, I'm sure MKP will roll the TvT even more.
Carrier has arrived.
13th Marine
Profile Joined January 2011
United States344 Posts
January 23 2011 09:13 GMT
#3735
On January 23 2011 17:17 SiDX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 17:16 setzer wrote:
It's funny how everyone views MVP as the Dark Sith Lord of SC2.


We need a pic of MVP's face in the black hood and robe now.

[image loading]
IMMvp isn't messing around.
Bomber | BoxeR | Dear | Flash | fOrGG | HerO | INnoVation | Jaedong | Life | MarineKing | Maru | MMA | MVP | NaDa | Polt | Taeja
lastmotion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
368 Posts
January 23 2011 09:22 GMT
#3736
TvT finals NOOOOoooooo
RHMVNovus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
January 23 2011 09:25 GMT
#3737
On January 23 2011 18:22 lastmotion wrote:
TvT finals NOOOOoooooo


Well, that's okay, because one of the Ts is FoxeR.

Frightful MarineQueen fanfic incoming.
Droning his sorrows in massive amounts of macro
Nephrite
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia202 Posts
January 23 2011 09:28 GMT
#3738
On January 23 2011 18:22 lastmotion wrote:
TvT finals NOOOOoooooo


Its Foxer vs MVP, how is that not awesome?
T: MVP, Polt, MKP, Boxer... P: Hero, MC, Inca , VINES... Z: Coca, DRG, Zenio, Leenock
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
January 23 2011 09:29 GMT
#3739
I'm of course sad that my hero Jinro got knocked out, but... I think I'm actually more sad about Nestea. He played so beautifully! I think he should have won games 2 and 3
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
January 23 2011 09:33 GMT
#3740
ugh. glad for MVP. but sad about Jinro
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
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