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On January 20 2011 01:45 Kurr wrote:
To bring up the subject of soundproof booths again, I'm wondering just how much the koreans can actually hear? Did Jinro understand what was being said or was it just the screaming that made him realize it was a 6pool? Any chance that players can actually make out what they say during the games?
You usually cant hear anything more specific than the "OOOOOOh"s, but I think there was a lul in the music (like switching tracks or something). I dont really remember too specifically, but I know you dont hear them most of the time.
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Anyone who says idra wins 3-1 better go wake up. To win 3-1 idra would have to beat jinro on jungle basin. If idra is going to win then he will win either 3-0 or 3-2. But if jinro wins 1 or 2 of the fist 3 games idra would have very little chance.
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I am very disappointed in all the games today. Nada didn't bust out his blue flame hellion strategy to own MKP, 3 quick all-in cheeses, and only 1 really exciting macro game. =(
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On January 20 2011 01:45 Kurr wrote:
To bring up the subject of soundproof booths again, I'm wondering just how much the koreans can actually hear? Did Jinro understand what was being said or was it just the screaming that made him realize it was a 6pool? Any chance that players can actually make out what they say during the games?
i tried to comment on several topics but it's funny because they all got locked in few minutes.
i don't even care to talk about this specific case because i don't think it matters, i just want to talk about the soundproof booths but it seems it's not possible because strangely the mods are REALLY SENSIBLE to going "off topic" in that thread.
my question is: if jinro heard the noise they were making with all their screaming "ohh ohhh" - what can korean players actually hear ? jinro does not speak korean so he doesn't understand their comments but what if players in the booth can actually hear comments about units or maybe build orders. i suspect if that's the case, none of them would even mention it during an interview.
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On January 20 2011 01:46 PukinDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 00:53 RHMVNovus wrote:On January 20 2011 00:48 teamsolid wrote:
For all the people who watched Idra vs Jinro games then went to sleep or something, do yourself a favor and watch the MKP vs Nada games. G1 was such an unbelievably epic game. One of the best SC2 series ever IMO, far surpassing the Idra/Jinro matches. Best series? I still think that goes to Leenock/NaDa or Leenock/Clide (huge platonic man-crush on Leenock), but I think it's easily the best 3-0, and probably the best TvT series I've seen. Foxer is so awesome. Are you forgetting Foxer/Kyrix? The last game on Zel Naga? The Marine splitting that permanently changed the game?
MVP was the first to do it in the GSL.
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Idra, if you're reading this thread, I'm glad you six pooled. It didn't work out for you this time, but I hope in the future you keep mixing it up with more aggressive builds.
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On January 20 2011 01:53 ShyRamen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 01:45 Kurr wrote:
To bring up the subject of soundproof booths again, I'm wondering just how much the koreans can actually hear? Did Jinro understand what was being said or was it just the screaming that made him realize it was a 6pool? Any chance that players can actually make out what they say during the games? i tried to comment on several topics but it's funny because they all got locked in few minutes. i don't even care to talk about this specific case because i don't think it matters, i just want to talk about the soundproof booths but it seems it's not possible because strangely the mods are REALLY SENSIBLE to going "off topic" in that thread. my question is: if jinro heard the noise they were making with all their screaming "ohh ohhh" - what can korean players actually hear ? jinro does not speak korean so he doesn't understand their comments but what if players in the booth can actually hear comments about units or maybe build orders. i suspect if that's the case, none of them would even mention it during an interview.
The best Korean players would speak up against it since they are not benefiting as much as the weaker players...
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On January 20 2011 01:55 0neder wrote:
Idra, if you're reading this thread, I'm glad you six pooled. It didn't work out for you this time, but I hope in the future you keep mixing it up with more aggressive builds.
damn straight.
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On January 20 2011 01:55 0neder wrote:
Idra, if you're reading this thread, I'm glad you six pooled. It didn't work out for you this time, but I hope in the future you keep mixing it up with more aggressive builds.
Idra doesn't have a problem with "more aggressive builds", it's just that he, rightly, considers zerg aggressive builds very weak. I'm sure as a toss he would, for instance, 4gate.
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On January 19 2011 19:17 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 19:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On January 19 2011 19:12 mierin wrote:On January 19 2011 19:10 bkrow wrote:On January 19 2011 19:10 Dionyseus wrote:On January 19 2011 19:04 Providence wrote:
LOL 124 pages already. Not sure if this was discussed but, do you guys think that MULE on shakuras was meant as a diss or miss clicking a scan? Ask yourself why would he scan there? Burrowed banelings maybe? Im hoping.. haha That's a bit ridiculous if you're honest with yourself haha...I mean it's not such a terribly bad thing, but Jinro even in his interview said Shakuras close was a terran map, was probably rubbing it in the Gracken's face. Why do you people not understand the concept of scanning for tumors? Could have been on purpose, my guess would be it was an accident but we'll hear from Jinro himself. Nazgul while I respect that opinion, Jinro had already scanned the exact same place he dropped that mule earlier on his initial push, and already killed the live creep tumors there. Also pressing "C" for scan is usually done with the pointer finger while "E" for mule is the middle finger, I'm not sure how he could have accidentally hit E and clicked there to scan for tumors he had already killed. I feel like this will get flooded out in this mass of pages =\ hope you can read this and possibly respond though.
erm using mules instead of scans happens even if it's not that close, it happened to me a couple times too to mix those hotkeys up, I clearly understood it was a missed hotkey when it happened but it seemed koreans were more for the manner mule theory :D
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On January 20 2011 01:54 zerious wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 01:46 PukinDog wrote:On January 20 2011 00:53 RHMVNovus wrote:On January 20 2011 00:48 teamsolid wrote:
For all the people who watched Idra vs Jinro games then went to sleep or something, do yourself a favor and watch the MKP vs Nada games. G1 was such an unbelievably epic game. One of the best SC2 series ever IMO, far surpassing the Idra/Jinro matches. Best series? I still think that goes to Leenock/NaDa or Leenock/Clide (huge platonic man-crush on Leenock), but I think it's easily the best 3-0, and probably the best TvT series I've seen. Foxer is so awesome. Are you forgetting Foxer/Kyrix? The last game on Zel Naga? The Marine splitting that permanently changed the game? MVP was the first to do it in the GSL.
True, but it was Foxer who took away the fear of the Baneling Bust. There was a lot of screaming about Banelings OP until that match.
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There is a response in that thread by a GOMtv staff. He says something along the lines of:
"We did notice that this (soundproofing) issue can present problems and we are planning on adding more soundproof curtains and have players use earsets+headsets that completely cover their ears.
We had not been using this earset+headset combination until now because players felt uncomfortable wearing them. There was a speaker behind Jonathan's booth and I believe that allowed Jonathan to hear some of our commentators. However, there was no appeal during the game and there is no clear evidence that Jonathan was able to defend against the 6pool only because he knew that it was coming, so we cannot have a rematch between the two players. Sorry again for the problems."
To put it short, there won't be a rematch.
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On January 20 2011 01:46 PukinDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 00:53 RHMVNovus wrote:On January 20 2011 00:48 teamsolid wrote:
For all the people who watched Idra vs Jinro games then went to sleep or something, do yourself a favor and watch the MKP vs Nada games. G1 was such an unbelievably epic game. One of the best SC2 series ever IMO, far surpassing the Idra/Jinro matches. Best series? I still think that goes to Leenock/NaDa or Leenock/Clide (huge platonic man-crush on Leenock), but I think it's easily the best 3-0, and probably the best TvT series I've seen. Foxer is so awesome. Are you forgetting Foxer/Kyrix? The last game on Zel Naga? The Marine splitting that permanently changed the game?
... yes.
STILL a huge fan of the Leenock/MacroT games.
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On January 20 2011 01:57 mprs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 01:53 ShyRamen wrote:On January 20 2011 01:45 Kurr wrote:
To bring up the subject of soundproof booths again, I'm wondering just how much the koreans can actually hear? Did Jinro understand what was being said or was it just the screaming that made him realize it was a 6pool? Any chance that players can actually make out what they say during the games? i tried to comment on several topics but it's funny because they all got locked in few minutes. i don't even care to talk about this specific case because i don't think it matters, i just want to talk about the soundproof booths but it seems it's not possible because strangely the mods are REALLY SENSIBLE to going "off topic" in that thread. my question is: if jinro heard the noise they were making with all their screaming "ohh ohhh" - what can korean players actually hear ? jinro does not speak korean so he doesn't understand their comments but what if players in the booth can actually hear comments about units or maybe build orders. i suspect if that's the case, none of them would even mention it during an interview. The best Korean players would speak up against it since they are not benefiting as much as the weaker players...
Why would you say that? If anything the more info is out there the better it is for the good players because they can establish their skill advantage without any weird upsets happening.
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The match on Jungle basin was nerve gracking.
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Congrats to Jinro! In addition, good to see oGsMC show up in the booth after to congratulate Jinro particularly after so many people were trash talking him following their earlier series. If that doesn't show good sportsmanship/team building, I don't know what does  .
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On January 20 2011 02:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 01:57 mprs wrote:On January 20 2011 01:53 ShyRamen wrote:On January 20 2011 01:45 Kurr wrote:
To bring up the subject of soundproof booths again, I'm wondering just how much the koreans can actually hear? Did Jinro understand what was being said or was it just the screaming that made him realize it was a 6pool? Any chance that players can actually make out what they say during the games? i tried to comment on several topics but it's funny because they all got locked in few minutes. i don't even care to talk about this specific case because i don't think it matters, i just want to talk about the soundproof booths but it seems it's not possible because strangely the mods are REALLY SENSIBLE to going "off topic" in that thread. my question is: if jinro heard the noise they were making with all their screaming "ohh ohhh" - what can korean players actually hear ? jinro does not speak korean so he doesn't understand their comments but what if players in the booth can actually hear comments about units or maybe build orders. i suspect if that's the case, none of them would even mention it during an interview. The best Korean players would speak up against it since they are not benefiting as much as the weaker players... Why would you say that? If anything the more info is out there the better it is for the good players because they can establish their skill advantage without any weird upsets happening.
yes, that's exactly what I think.
i mean, imagine if they heard something about a drop.
maybe a blue-flame hellion drop that fails so one player is immediately behind.. or something like that.
in this jinro-idra case it really does not matter... as jinro said, he scouted which is even worst against the 6pool BUT i think that they should pay a lot of attention to the soundproof factor as it may be game-changing.
i don't want to exaggerate saying that it already changed some games or anything like that, but the GSL has to be the most professional example of e-sports possible and if something like that happens, they have to take serious action to make sure that the players can't hear ANYTHING.
basically, nothing outside of the booth should influence the games being played.
my 2 cents
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On January 19 2011 18:57 Pudge_172 wrote:
So glad to see Idra 6-pool. Now players will have to prepare for it and it will make him more dangerous in future tournaments.
Yep. Now all he has to do is control the 'rage' and not the other way around and he may actually go pretty far. He shouldn't have quit so early in game 2 - for whatever reason. FD and Nestea would have at least still tried to defend that.
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Grats to Jinro.
4 out of 4 Terrans in Code A.
3 out of 4 Terrans in Code S.
T___T
One thing left to say really -- gogogo ZergBong! The last hope.
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