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nick1689
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia494 Posts
January 05 2011 13:15 GMT
#1501
Why all the hate against Choya btw? I missed GSL3... but if he got to the Ro8, and now is through to the Ro16, how can he be bad? Im guessing he's just cheesy
Skytalker
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden671 Posts
January 05 2011 13:16 GMT
#1502
Cheese and rushes is too good, the one to blame is the game, not the players. just disappointing
Jaedong HWAITING!
bondafong
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark19 Posts
January 05 2011 13:16 GMT
#1503
It really hurts to follow this GSL season as a Zerg player. Most of the games so far involve some kind of Cheese. Either a cannon contain, an early marine/scv rush or something similar.

Either all the pro Zerg players is getting something totally wrong, or it just create to much of an imbalance that zerg can't wall off, and need to FE because of extra unit production and economy.
Provocateur
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1665 Posts
January 05 2011 13:16 GMT
#1504
On January 05 2011 22:10 raidmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 22:07 FataLe wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:59 raidmaster wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:58 FataLe wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:57 KonohaFlash wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:56 Roggay wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:53 KonohaFlash wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:52 Kawamura wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:51 raidmaster wrote:
Nice cheese

Quit trolling, since when are DTs cheese?


Your definition of trolling is completely wrong. Dt's that quickly are cheese. How is that even a debate?


It is not, why are you arguing that, he expanded behind it and its not like it could go extremely wrong.


Cheese is something that you can't fall back on if it is unsuccessful. Had Rain stopped the DT rush, Tester would have been behind and would lose. He expanded behind that because his Dt's wrecked Rain's economy+ Destroyed all his add-ons.

No... even if he stopped damage at home that hardly puts Tester in a bad position. Rain cannot mount an attack until he gets a raven or waits for 100 energy.


So what? Testes will already be way behind because he spent so much on useless units. Rain will produce more units and kill him.

No... because Tester will have plenty of time to get his econ and real army up and running.
Seriously I don't think you've seen a high level PvT lately. DT rushing isn't new and it's COMPLETELY viable. The Protoss is almost always ahead as the Protoss has an expo whereas the Terrans is delayed considerably.


Delaying isn't really a problem if DT's do no damage. You just build units. Protoss can expand, but you will hit a timing when you have units and detection and toss has what? Expansions which has just been saturated (and you spend so much money to make it - even less units). Attack, gg. Think, then post.

You should start thinking before you're posting really. You're sticking to the same invalid point all the time saying DTs are completely useless once T has detection. But the most important thing DTs do are to buy time, you fail to grasp this. With time the protoss can get his expansion up before the terran player putting him into a superior economical position. He can also get an army up in time because he has forced the terran to go through the hassle of getting all the detection and defense needed against DTs. It seems like you have very little understanding of the PvT matchup and very little experience playing it so I think you're the one who should stop posting about it until you wise up a little.
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
January 05 2011 13:16 GMT
#1505
On January 05 2011 22:15 Tachion wrote:
Seeing how empty the stadium was for the opening day of GSL, and seeing how they can't even fill out a few seats in their studio today, I'm getting a little worried about SC2 in Korea ;/
Not surprising the seats were empty today, people don't have enough spare time to watch the likes of Choya.
I <3 Plexa.
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
January 05 2011 13:17 GMT
#1506
DTs = no mule.
Enough said.
If that isn't enough said for you, invest in the TL.net search function and find out why.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
January 05 2011 13:17 GMT
#1507
On January 05 2011 22:13 sqrt wrote: And props to the observer. The dude was great in the A series and godly in the S ones.


Indeed, the observing was excellent today so thumbs up there =)
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
January 05 2011 13:17 GMT
#1508
On January 05 2011 22:15 nick1689 wrote:
Why all the hate against Choya btw? I missed GSL3... but if he got to the Ro8, and now is through to the Ro16, how can he be bad? Im guessing he's just cheesy


He's really shaky in his performances, he does indeed had horrible games, but people are blowing it waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion... as usual.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
January 05 2011 13:17 GMT
#1509
GOM stream is hilarious right now.
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
January 05 2011 13:17 GMT
#1510
Did anybody else notice the HQ stream camera is still going? Whooops
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
January 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#1511
Did Choya leave or something?
Diablo 3 Blog Me & My Mom http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=336890
Scoop
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland482 Posts
January 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#1512
On January 05 2011 22:14 raidmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 22:10 Zaurus wrote:
On January 05 2011 22:04 raidmaster wrote:
On January 05 2011 22:02 Zaurus wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:56 Roggay wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:53 KonohaFlash wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:52 Kawamura wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:51 raidmaster wrote:
Nice cheese

Quit trolling, since when are DTs cheese?


Your definition of trolling is completely wrong. Dt's that quickly are cheese. How is that even a debate?


It is not, why are you arguing that, he expanded behind it and its not like it could go extremely wrong.


If dts are cheese so is cloak banshee? I dont believe u can win very game even if u scan a dark shrine building, or it gives u is e time to prepare for it. But it does not mean u can survive a dt harrass all around ur base while attking. Wake up ur idea. Did u watch ogsmc vs rain? He got a raven and dts did still do so much DMG the whole game.


God, is it so hard to understand? You invest in cloaked banshees you will most likely do some damage even without cloak. If you get DTS you get 2 uselless buildings (Council doesnt really work when you have no units) and uselles units (if detected). Terran have starport which is still really useful- switch - make medievacs/vikings, whatever.


Is not hard to understand. Is just that u don't know the role of dt throughout the whole game, u assume they are a unit that can be stop easily once u know is coming. Unless u have map hack, dts can be put to good use throughout the whole game, w or w/o detection. I hope u get it now.


Dt's may have their role but in this particular situation, even if you have those DT's I send my army with detector to your base and you die. You may sneak a DT to my base but what will it do? I can lift buildings when things become really not interesting. My army is just killing you and you can't touch it.


Rain didn't have gas for a raven, so there was no detection! Unless he wants to waste scans trying to push.
raidmaster
Profile Joined July 2010
474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 13:19:28
January 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#1513
On January 05 2011 22:15 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 22:10 raidmaster wrote:
On January 05 2011 22:07 FataLe wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:59 raidmaster wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:58 FataLe wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:57 KonohaFlash wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:56 Roggay wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:53 KonohaFlash wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:52 Kawamura wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:51 raidmaster wrote:
Nice cheese

Quit trolling, since when are DTs cheese?


Your definition of trolling is completely wrong. Dt's that quickly are cheese. How is that even a debate?


It is not, why are you arguing that, he expanded behind it and its not like it could go extremely wrong.


Cheese is something that you can't fall back on if it is unsuccessful. Had Rain stopped the DT rush, Tester would have been behind and would lose. He expanded behind that because his Dt's wrecked Rain's economy+ Destroyed all his add-ons.

No... even if he stopped damage at home that hardly puts Tester in a bad position. Rain cannot mount an attack until he gets a raven or waits for 100 energy.


So what? Testes will already be way behind because he spent so much on useless units. Rain will produce more units and kill him.

No... because Tester will have plenty of time to get his econ and real army up and running.
Seriously I don't think you've seen a high level PvT lately. DT rushing isn't new and it's COMPLETELY viable. The Protoss is almost always ahead as the Protoss has an expo whereas the Terrans is delayed considerably.


Delaying isn't really a problem if DT's do no damage. You just build units. Protoss can expand, but you will hit a timing when you have units and detection and toss has what? Expansions which has just been saturated (and you spend so much money to make it - even less units). Attack, gg. Think, then post.

Listen, fire up some high level PvT games and you will see that even if DT's do NO damage the Terran is forced to surrender full map control whilst sticking to one base for extended periods of time. I know it seems counter intuitive that a tech that supposed to do damage and then it doesn't and your not behind? It works, Trust me. That timing your talking about, doesn't happen to smart Protoss. Anyway, I shouldn't have to defend the current meta-game of PvT at the moment the reasons for why it's good should be obvious to you by now.. hell knows if it isn't.


Show me some replays to prove. I want to see them. When toss does no damage with DTS and terran waits for detector and then a-move into toss army and losses.
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
January 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#1514
Seriously does noone bother to check what camera is on??? Haha are you kidding me?
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
January 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#1515
On January 05 2011 22:08 proxY_ wrote:
Choya being the one seed after two really simple all-in builds is hilarious, really doesn't speak well for the format.


Stop calling everything all-in for goodness sake. 4-gate is standard in PvP especially on Scrap station. Going air after a block off is also not in anyway all-in.

I seriously think that people are colored by Artosis comments rather than understanding the game and thinking for themselves. The bias so much more obvious today when he keeps praising SKS and just making a joke out of Choya. He even say how impressive sks is compared to OGSMC and I really don't see anything special about what SKS did today. Especially now when SKS said that he went DT only because he knows that's Rain's fav build and not because he actually scouted it. And he didn't know that Choya was going 4-gate on Scraps?? Come on man, that's horrible game sense.
Skytalker
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden671 Posts
January 05 2011 13:18 GMT
#1516
lol they putting plastic on the camera
Jaedong HWAITING!
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
January 05 2011 13:19 GMT
#1517
JON!!!!
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
raidmaster
Profile Joined July 2010
474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 13:19:56
January 05 2011 13:19 GMT
#1518
On January 05 2011 22:18 Scoop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2011 22:14 raidmaster wrote:
On January 05 2011 22:10 Zaurus wrote:
On January 05 2011 22:04 raidmaster wrote:
On January 05 2011 22:02 Zaurus wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:56 Roggay wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:53 KonohaFlash wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:52 Kawamura wrote:
On January 05 2011 21:51 raidmaster wrote:
Nice cheese

Quit trolling, since when are DTs cheese?


Your definition of trolling is completely wrong. Dt's that quickly are cheese. How is that even a debate?


It is not, why are you arguing that, he expanded behind it and its not like it could go extremely wrong.


If dts are cheese so is cloak banshee? I dont believe u can win very game even if u scan a dark shrine building, or it gives u is e time to prepare for it. But it does not mean u can survive a dt harrass all around ur base while attking. Wake up ur idea. Did u watch ogsmc vs rain? He got a raven and dts did still do so much DMG the whole game.


God, is it so hard to understand? You invest in cloaked banshees you will most likely do some damage even without cloak. If you get DTS you get 2 uselless buildings (Council doesnt really work when you have no units) and uselles units (if detected). Terran have starport which is still really useful- switch - make medievacs/vikings, whatever.


Is not hard to understand. Is just that u don't know the role of dt throughout the whole game, u assume they are a unit that can be stop easily once u know is coming. Unless u have map hack, dts can be put to good use throughout the whole game, w or w/o detection. I hope u get it now.


Dt's may have their role but in this particular situation, even if you have those DT's I send my army with detector to your base and you die. You may sneak a DT to my base but what will it do? I can lift buildings when things become really not interesting. My army is just killing you and you can't touch it.


Rain didn't have gas for a raven, so there was no detection! Unless he wants to waste scans trying to push.


It is pretty obvious that he has to get some, right? And we are talking about situation in which he scouts DT shrine, not when they're already killing him.
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 13:19:23
January 05 2011 13:19 GMT
#1519
rofl where is choya
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
January 05 2011 13:19 GMT
#1520
John taking over, so GOSU!
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