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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:19 Alphaes wrote: True, but it's not quite as free since he actually had to play all 3 games in the end, as opposed to Morrow having to play none at all. Now you are splitting hairs. TLO lost. How is that better? | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:21 FrostShadow wrote: Lol, now i imagine a series of tag-team starcraft tournys, where they pause midgame and switch players ^^ They did that in some BW all-star games in Korea. :D | ||
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TheMenace
Germany244 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:19 Holgerius wrote: So if BratOk had said ''I give my spot to Holgerius'', the admins would have to comply? :D no no lol you got me wrong, I don't mean because he said it it's valid, I mean if he didn't say it in the first place this whole situation wouldn't have come up. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:16 vdale wrote: yeah, I don't see how a freewin for morrow is more fair than the current solution. what ? srsly ? BRAT_OK won vs TLO , and withdraw from the tounament AFTER he won against TLO , all the games were finished , so TLO should be out so if BRAT_OK withdraw after beating TLO and his next opponent was MorroW, then MorroW should OBVIOUSLY get a freewin, not TLO , i dont have any idea what kind of twisted logic it is to give TLO the freewin , when he LOST ... with all respect to TLO ofc , he is an awesome guy and player but ... srsly cmon , this is pretty bs imo | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:18 nihlon wrote: Because that's how every major sports tournaments are run. You don't take back an eliminated player. Tennis for instance. If someone gives a walkover you don't take in the player that he beat. that doesn't change my opinion, nobody has to play more games because of that and they can stream one BO3 more. In a HomerJ XMas Cup Qualifier they wanted to replace Strelok in the final with the player he won against (but then Strelok showed up in the last minute). | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
I mean when there is qualifiers and people can't make it - it is common that there are replacements both in e-sports and regular sports (see Eurocup 1992 denmark being eliminated in qualifiers but replace Yugoslavia and win the tournament). You can make the point that a qualifier is different from the main tournament, however its still connected in the end and people who replace other players in qualifiers is common and not seen unfair despite giving them an advantage while doing the same in the main tournament is somewhat perceived as unfair... In the end it is the decision of the admins and if there is no rule about it yet, they should add a clear rule to handle this things consistently in the future. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:14 affenjunge wrote: oh mr. morrow... please dont cry neither your swedish fanboiis. Hey... No one's crying. Typically in any serious tournament be it in sports, games or whatever if someone has to exit the tournament, that means walkover. If you're out you're out. Now ESL can do as they please and I don't particularily mind their decision, but I can defenitely see where morrow's coming from. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:22 Leviance wrote: no no lol you got me wrong, I don't mean because he said it it's valid, I mean if he didn't say it in the first place this whole situation wouldn't have come up. This is kinda true, I suppose brat_ok didn't really think about this. Had he said "I can't play, morrow gets a defwin" then everything would've been different I guess? ^^ | ||
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Saiwa
Germany789 Posts
Make me proud TL. | ||
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trancey_
Germany729 Posts
They sure cant wait till tomorrow because the winner of bratok vs. morrow needs to play against the new loserbracket player and if that is not possible the whole tournament is halted. | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:23 TBO wrote: its obviously a hard call, both options are not optimal, either TLO gets an unfair advantage or Morrow gets a freewin which is sort of unfair as well (I'm inclined to say: less than giving TLO another chance. I mean when there is qualifiers and people can't make it - it is common that there are replacements both in e-sports and regular sports (see Eurocup 1992 denmark being eliminated in qualifiers but replace Yugoslavia and win the tournament). You can make the point that a qualifier is different from the main tournament, however its still connected in the end and people who replace other players in qualifiers is common and not seen unfair despite giving them an advantage while doing the same in the main tournament is somewhat perceived as unfair... In the end it is the decision of the admins and if there is no rule about it yet, they should add a clear rule to handle this things consistently in the future. But there is a rule about it. If you lose a BO3 in the loser's bracket you are eliminated from the tournament. That's it, period. There is no rule saying that if the player you played against leaves you get a second chance. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:24 sleepingdog wrote: This is kinda true, I suppose brat_ok didn't really think about this. Had he said "I can't play, morrow gets a defwin" then everything would've been different I guess? ^^ that's what I mean | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:23 TBO wrote: its obviously a hard call, both options are not optimal, either TLO gets an unfair advantage or Morrow gets a freewin which is sort of unfair as well (I'm inclined to say: less than giving TLO another chance. I mean when there is qualifiers and people can't make it - it is common that there are replacements both in e-sports and regular sports (see Eurocup 1992 denmark being eliminated in qualifiers but replace Yugoslavia and win the tournament). You can make the point that a qualifier is different from the main tournament, however its still connected in the end and people who replace other players in qualifiers is common and not seen unfair despite giving them an advantage while doing the same in the main tournament is somewhat perceived as unfair... In the end it is the decision of the admins and if there is no rule about it yet, they should add a clear rule to handle this things consistently in the future. That's a good example. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 16 2011 03:24 trancey_ wrote: If BratOK awarded his spot to TLO and the admins were okay with it what's wrong? Morrow has to face one either way and it's not that TLO asked for anything. If BratOk wouldn't have said that he wants to give his spot to TLO then it would be unfair i think and then Morrow should have gotten defwin. They sure cant wait till tomorrow because the winner of bratok vs. morrow needs to play against the new loserbracket player and if that is not possible the whole tournament is halted. Because it's not up to Bratok to decide who gets to play in the tournament. If you could withdraw and just give your spot to someone players could let their teammates play in finals if they had a better chance at winning and such | ||
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Eggcake
Switzerland722 Posts
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
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