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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
January 15 2011 18:27 GMT
#1981
On January 16 2011 03:25 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 03:23 TBO wrote:
its obviously a hard call, both options are not optimal, either TLO gets an unfair advantage or Morrow gets a freewin which is sort of unfair as well (I'm inclined to say: less than giving TLO another chance.

I mean when there is qualifiers and people can't make it - it is common that there are replacements both in e-sports and regular sports (see Eurocup 1992 denmark being eliminated in qualifiers but replace Yugoslavia and win the tournament).

You can make the point that a qualifier is different from the main tournament, however its still connected in the end and people who replace other players in qualifiers is common and not seen unfair despite giving them an advantage while doing the same in the main tournament is somewhat perceived as unfair...

In the end it is the decision of the admins and if there is no rule about it yet, they should add a clear rule to handle this things consistently in the future.

But there is a rule about it. If you lose a BO3 in the loser's bracket you are eliminated from the tournament. That's it, period. There is no rule saying that if the player you played against leaves you get a second chance.


I don't know how it is done in this specific cup but in an online tournament Brat_Ok would need to report the game if he doesn't he does not get the win and is counted as non present.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 15 2011 18:27 GMT
#1982
On January 16 2011 03:19 Alphaes wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 16 2011 03:17 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 03:16 Alphaes wrote:
On January 16 2011 03:11 vrok wrote:
On January 16 2011 03:10 Alphaes wrote:
On January 16 2011 03:07 syllogism wrote:
I agree that Morrow should get the free win as TLO was already out. This is especially true if there aren't any rules regarding this.


That would give an unfair advantage to Morrow in the Loser's Bracket, though.

Unfair? If BratOK leaves after winning against TLO (which he did) then obviously the next match should be forfeited in favor of the opponent, aka Morrow. TLO was already eliminated.


I don't know, I personally don't think freewins should be awarded unless it's absolutely unavoidable. It may be somewhat unfair to Morrow, but it also is to the players on the other half of the bracket if so. Feels to me this would be the lesser of the evils, since he should be playing against a "weaker" player in the end.

Uh, they just awarded a free win to TLO


True, but it's not quite as free since he actually had to play all 3 games in the end, as opposed to Morrow having to play none at all.

Keep in mind that at that point TLO was out of tournament...
Also ESL cheats ;P
http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/1on1/homestorycup2/match/21092206/

PS.LOL at Take...
"We have lots of time tomorrow so we can show some games then...."

15 minutes after he told BratOK that there wont be any games moved to tommorow.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 15 2011 18:27 GMT
#1983
Why can't they just postpone?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Schnullerbacke13
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1199 Posts
January 15 2011 18:27 GMT
#1984
why exactly brat_ok quitted ? did they tell ?
21 is half the truth
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
January 15 2011 18:28 GMT
#1985
giving a guy that LOST a freewin against a dude to whom he lost (cuz this dude wihtdrew after) , just makes no sense does it ?

yeah , it does not ...

with all respect for admins and TLO ofc but wow ... this is kinda wrong
T H C makes ppl happy
Stoffelhase
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany162 Posts
January 15 2011 18:28 GMT
#1986
when at tennis a player gets injured between games his next opponent (morrow) gets a freewin... its not giving the already-out player a new chance to win a tournament where he was already out..... :/ well its take.. he just does things before overthinking them...
affenjunge
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany25 Posts
January 15 2011 18:28 GMT
#1987
maybe morrow should spend less time on whining in forums and play some practise games...
RotterdaM: I love readmore!
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
January 15 2011 18:28 GMT
#1988
i think they decided too fast and didn't realize the situation well. morrow should be the one to get a win. they should understand if someone explained it to them what's up. but if they really want TLO to play again, there's nothing we can do about it.
hey man just curious
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4945 Posts
January 15 2011 18:28 GMT
#1989
ROFL wow Hasu a bit greedy there bro
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1990
rofl fail FF on the ramp, not blocking the lings
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1991
On January 16 2011 03:27 TBO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 03:25 vyyye wrote:
On January 16 2011 03:23 TBO wrote:
its obviously a hard call, both options are not optimal, either TLO gets an unfair advantage or Morrow gets a freewin which is sort of unfair as well (I'm inclined to say: less than giving TLO another chance.

I mean when there is qualifiers and people can't make it - it is common that there are replacements both in e-sports and regular sports (see Eurocup 1992 denmark being eliminated in qualifiers but replace Yugoslavia and win the tournament).

You can make the point that a qualifier is different from the main tournament, however its still connected in the end and people who replace other players in qualifiers is common and not seen unfair despite giving them an advantage while doing the same in the main tournament is somewhat perceived as unfair...

In the end it is the decision of the admins and if there is no rule about it yet, they should add a clear rule to handle this things consistently in the future.

But there is a rule about it. If you lose a BO3 in the loser's bracket you are eliminated from the tournament. That's it, period. There is no rule saying that if the player you played against leaves you get a second chance.


I don't know how it is done in this specific cup but in an online tournament Brat_Ok would need to report the game if he doesn't he does not get the win and is counted as non present.

Technicalities. I don't think anyone can argue that his win isn't valid, as it was casted and all.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1992
On January 16 2011 03:27 Schnullerbacke13 wrote:
why exactly brat_ok quitted ? did they tell ?


He couldn't play any more games tonight so asked if he could play his next games tomorrow and was told no.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1993
On January 16 2011 03:27 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 03:19 Alphaes wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 16 2011 03:17 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 03:16 Alphaes wrote:
On January 16 2011 03:11 vrok wrote:
On January 16 2011 03:10 Alphaes wrote:
On January 16 2011 03:07 syllogism wrote:
I agree that Morrow should get the free win as TLO was already out. This is especially true if there aren't any rules regarding this.


That would give an unfair advantage to Morrow in the Loser's Bracket, though.

Unfair? If BratOK leaves after winning against TLO (which he did) then obviously the next match should be forfeited in favor of the opponent, aka Morrow. TLO was already eliminated.


I don't know, I personally don't think freewins should be awarded unless it's absolutely unavoidable. It may be somewhat unfair to Morrow, but it also is to the players on the other half of the bracket if so. Feels to me this would be the lesser of the evils, since he should be playing against a "weaker" player in the end.

Uh, they just awarded a free win to TLO


True, but it's not quite as free since he actually had to play all 3 games in the end, as opposed to Morrow having to play none at all.

Keep in mind that at that point TLO was out of tournament...
Also ESL cheats ;P
http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/1on1/homestorycup2/match/21092206/

PS.LOL at Take...
"We have lots of time tomorrow so we can show some games then...."

15 minutes after he told BratOK that there wont be any games moved to tommorow.


Means he'll just stream replays then
GoBackToGo
Profile Joined July 2010
187 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1994
hope brat_OK is allright
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1995
On January 16 2011 03:27 Frankon wrote:
PS.LOL at Take...
"We have lots of time tomorrow so we can show some games then...."

15 minutes after he told BratOK that there wont be any games moved to tommorow.

Ya, I noticed that too.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1996
Haha, I like how this has started becoming a Germany vs Sweden mudslinging contest. Not gonna bother to add more to this - Morrow will probably win anyways, and that'll be that.
What this
Dont-Panic
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany567 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1997
Game over already for Hasu imo
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1998
had that forcefield on the ramp been tight it would've been over prolly
Do you really want chat rooms?
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-15 18:30:32
January 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1999
On January 16 2011 03:28 Stoffelhase wrote:
when at tennis a player gets injured between games his next opponent (morrow) gets a freewin... its not giving the already-out player a new chance to win a tournament where he was already out..... :/ well its take.. he just does things before overthinking them...


What happens if the player wins the game but gets injured before he signs all this official paper stuff and decides to not sign them? (I'm no tennis expert but I know that in most sports you have to sign some papers to confirm official match results)
taskmgr.exe
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation134 Posts
January 15 2011 18:30 GMT
#2000
Sooo, if Morrow and TLO won't play today, will they give Bratok his spot back?
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