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[GSL] S3 Ro8 Day 1 - Page 146
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evil_lesh
Latvia68 Posts
ffs, I had a feeling that I'll miss something awesome today, darn work | ||
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Darhaja
United States108 Posts
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Meatnose
United States141 Posts
:Mod Edit: NO balance discussion, whining, complaining, crying of any kind. Please, please post like you have a level head. We are not the battle.net forums, lets keep it that way | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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Darhaja
United States108 Posts
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
All in all I think removing the veto system has screwed Z this GSL, the maps currently have like 6 good maps for Z (some with bad spawn positions) and 1 really bad (steppes). With the veto system zerg never ever played steppes and couln't care about a good map being removed (scrap usually). Now Z got steppes quite often in the tourney AND some critical players had unlucky spawns on LT and meta (for example idra). PvZ is imo just fine and FD simply got outplayed hard by Hongun, in fact FD has a pretty louse ZvP imo. He only had to play it once before in GSL which he won by cheesing a poor playing Inca... PvP finals would be great! (it would be the first PvP of the tournament? 4th total in GSL history i think). It's a crappy matchup at subtop level as there is too mcuh cheese but at the highest level it's actually a decent matchup imo as 4 gates are rarely used by the best protoss (because it's not that good). | ||
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betaV1.25
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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ahwala
Germany418 Posts
On December 06 2010 22:21 Huragius wrote: And they shouldn't be strong vs 14 hatch ? no, they shouldn't be as strong as they are because zerg needs to outexpand toss and terran anyway (and this is just to be on par) and because it's fucking boring if every game ends in less than 10 minutes. | ||
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Darhaja
United States108 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:11 mordk wrote: 14 hatch is a greedy zerg BO, as such it has very obvious difficulties dealing with fast and strong all ins, zerg shouldn't go for 14 hatch if he does not have clues that his opponent is going for a macro game, or at least not an all in. As in, I see no gas terran = marine/scv all in likely = no 14 hatch, etc. Can't go 14 hatch every game and expect to win always, opponents WILL adapt and teams will practice strategies directed to counter this build. No gas can also indicate fast expo.. interesting its like the build is just that flexible. =O ( the clear response to a FE terran is also a FE btw, cool -.-) Side note: funny how u say u cant expect to go 14 hatch and win every game. I swear i just heard in TSL_Rains interview that he didnt have much practice so he did this strategy, which means u can expect to go double rax and win ever game? interesting... | ||
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Crissaegrim
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:14 Darhaja wrote: No gas can also indicate fast expo.. interesting its like the build is just that flexible. =O ( the clear response to a FE terran is also a FE btw, cool -.-) Side note: funny how u say u cant expect to go 14 hatch and win every game. I swear i just heard in TSL_Rains interview that he didnt have much practice so he did this strategy, which means u can expect to go double rax and win ever game? interesting... You can win every game if your opponent makes a 14 hatch every game, it's just a direct counter, kinda like saying 'Hey dude, let's play rock, paper, scissors, I'll go rock every time'. And if you see no gas and opt to make some units, then dont see the all in, then expand, you'll be a little behind but you won't be dead. I still believe the best zerg builds in this tournament were July's ones, they just were more solid all-round, MC just played too good in their matches. | ||
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Darhaja
United States108 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:14 Crissaegrim wrote: Ugh to all those complaining about how "hard" zerg is. If anyone should complain it should be the toss players. Srsly, 2 GSL winners were zergs and STILL people whine about how "nerfed" zerg is? If these two GSL players lost, then grats to the winners. To be fair tester did amazing in GSL S1 (top 4) and hes an amazing player only in season 2 did protoss not deliver. Dunno why u had to bring up why zergs hard thats just going to make people troll you, also yes hongun played very well... TSL_Rain not so much but i mean its only 87 grand anyways we as spectators only want to see the most deserving player win, which IMO should be jinro or MC bec they have shown the most solid play out of everyone all season. | ||
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Darhaja
United States108 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:19 mordk wrote: You can win every game if your opponent makes a 14 hatch every game, it's just a direct counter. And if you see no gas and opt to make some units, then dont see the all in, then expand, you'll be a little behind but you won't be dead. I still believe the best zerg builds in this tournament were July's ones, they just were more solid all-round, MC just played too good in their matches. Yes, i did like july's opening alot i do agree but i also think that double rax forces that build which is less economical for literally no reason, 14 hatch or 14 pool 15 hatch is way better in the long run. For 1 EARLY builds like double rax should not completely deny an expo it's just insane, u can hold a 4 gate off a FE, u can hold off almost anything with a FE, except a double rax which is really dumb. Basically zerg can't force any builds upon their opponent until the 9-12 minute mark, so forcing fast speed into expo every game because double rax is just that versatile is just bleh, and tbh double rax doesn't even set back terran its just that solid it's disgusting. In a way you could say that double rax is the zergs 14 hatch, because they always open with it except it has no downside. Also the zerg cannot punish a terran that double rax's.. sigh got my sadface on right now. | ||
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
Looking forward to Jinro vs Hongun finals (eventually Hongun vs MC - that would be first PvP this season right?) | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
 Liquid Jinro Hwaiting. | ||
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Bagonad
Denmark173 Posts
When the hatch actually has time to complete, you will ALWAYS be better off than if you'd gone pool first, agaist rushes. Pool first is more likely to die to 2-rax. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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Meatnose
United States141 Posts
On December 06 2010 23:10 Darhaja wrote: Meh i just think no one has an answer to my statement, but w/e i'll stop. So what should i comment on these games today.. hmmmmmm, i guess all-ins are good. Not really to much to comment on for todays matches was the biggest let down of all time. Hopefully pvt is a more stable matchup go jinro and MC!! I agree with you, all-ins are discouraging. The good thing about this tournament in particular is that Jinro seems to be able to handle any all-in from his opponents and his mid to late game is devastating. Its all in his favor. Go Jinro. | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
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