[GSL] S3 Ro16 Day 2 - Page 229

On December 04 2010 06:26 TheRabidDeer wrote:
VODs down for anybody else? I see an error at the top "Warning: date() expects parameter 2 to be long, string given in /data/www.gomtv.net/htdocs/real/vod/view.php on line 40"

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On December 04 2010 06:19 CanucksJC wrote:

There's a reason he's one of the top ranked terrans in the world. There's a reason he has advanced so far in both seasons. Marines are good.

On December 04 2010 06:03 Slardar wrote:
There's a lot more than just brackets to consider. He has been playing cool, calm, collected and solid throughout. He is the first foreigner to make ro8 and gain S rank. Respect where it's due. IdrA may be the superior player theoretically, but he qualified 3 times and had an even easier bracket GSL1, I can't recall 2. Sometimes it's more than skill, it's nerves and preparation. I also feel Polt playing bad is irrelevant seeing as he just took out Boxer(who's best matchup is TvT) that has to be intimidating.

On December 04 2010 06:13 nam nam wrote:


You mean if I watch, lets say the worlds best tennis player, I can't tell if he's playing good even if his opponent is having a bad day? That's stupid. You can judge how well a player plays despite his opponent. (Also those things seems to coincide, that player look really bad against better ones)

And how can you say that zivic only based it on the last few games? If he hadn't won MLG I bet we would have a lot less people writing him up, or at least more of the people saying it's just a fluke. Are you seriously suggesting that people just look at the bracket and think "oh he advanced to the ro8, he MUST be the best foreigner?" I actually give people a little more credit than that.

On December 04 2010 06:43 cordlc wrote:


He's the first foreigner to make RO8, but Idra was the first to clinch S-rank.

Idra qualifying all 3 times whereas Jinro only qualified once (meaning, he got knocked out earlier than RO64 twice) is not really something that can be used against Idra. Don't forget, Jinro has also been in Korea all this time, it's not like this is his first attempt.

In GSL2, Idra was knocked out by Zenio (ZvZ, meh)

I'm not trying to discredit Jinro, I know he's a great player (though not yet sure to what extent). I just think people aren't looking at the situation objectively, probably because he's a foreigner, not to mention on TL (understandable, but still needs to be pointed out)




No, you cannot tell the extent of a player's abilities when they are against someone playing poorly. Sure, you can tell they're better, maybe their great mechanics, but to what extent is impossible. As for players looking bad against better ones, that's irrelevant in this case, Polt's awful mistakes (even making Tasteless say something along the lines of, "The worst decision we've ever seen in the GSL") had nothing to do with Jinro's play.

Also consider that perhaps, Jinro looks better when up against poor play?

As for the zivac comment, again - why would he make this comment now, right after his win against Polt? It's pretty obvious the statement was referring to this match. (If you disagree, forget it, not really worth arguing this point)

On December 04 2010 05:23 Zelniq wrote:
Leenock..I don't know what is wrong with this guy..how can a Ro16 GSL 3 player not know how to beat only marines? no you dont get ultras, you dont get hive, you dont need anything more than lings and banelings. infestors help and go well with it but just marines are so incredibly easy to stop,

On December 04 2010 05:42 cordlc wrote:


So, it might not hold. The point is, him making it to RO8 does not "prove" he's the best foreigner. It's silly to try and judge skill with just these tournament placements, as there's plenty of luck involved.

The only thing GSL3 showed us, is that he's capable of beating NEXDrug, Moon, and PoltPrime (who played terribly). I'm sure other foreigners are capable of this feat.

On December 04 2010 06:39 grannock wrote:
Not to take anything away from Jinro's accomplishments on making it to the Ro8, but he arguably had the easiest path there... Jinro hasn't had to play against a strong zerg so far, and I assume thats his most feared matchup. Hell, he wont have to deal with that until the finals if he can get there, GL to him!

On December 04 2010 06:43 cordlc wrote:

No, you cannot tell the extent of a player's abilities when they are against someone playing poorly. Sure, you can tell they're better, maybe their great mechanics, but to what extent is impossible. As for players looking bad against better ones, that's irrelevant in this case, Polt's awful mistakes (even making Tasteless say something along the lines of, "The worst decision we've ever seen in the GSL") had nothing to do with Jinro's play.

Also consider that perhaps, Jinro looks better when up against poor play?

As for the zivac comment, again - why would he make this comment now, right after his win against Polt? It's pretty obvious the statement was referring to this match. (If you disagree, forget it, not really worth arguing this point)

On December 04 2010 07:24 Juliette wrote:
uh wtf iron vs marine king BUT I LIKE MC T_T

On December 04 2010 06:39 grannock wrote:
Not to take anything away from Jinro's accomplishments on making it to the Ro8, but he arguably had the easiest path there... Jinro hasn't had to play against a strong zerg so far, and I assume thats his most feared matchup. Hell, he wont have to deal with that until the finals if he can get there, GL to him!

On December 03 2010 18:11 Scorch wrote:
My predictions for today:

MarineKingPrime.WE 1:2 LeenockfOu.WE
oGsMC 1:2 ST_July
PoltPrime.WE 2:0 TLAF-Liquid`Jinro
IMmvp 2:0 choyafOu

I hope I'm wrong about match 3 and we get some great matches as the names suggest. Especially looking forward to Foxer vs Leenock.