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[GSL] S3 Ro16 Day 2 - Page 228
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Epi2010
Germany57 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On December 04 2010 05:04 k20 wrote: Man that's upsetting, no S class for July. God damn. I can only imagine that A-class will be like crushing ants for July. He won't waste any time getting promoted to S | ||
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AgentV
United States159 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
and not scouting the rocks? free scouting with 1 overlord, it's not like there are so many other important spots to check. just really embarrassingly stupid play overall | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On December 04 2010 05:23 Zelniq wrote: congrats to jinro, steamrolled as expected. july's loss was really upsetting, a couple crucial mistakes cost him series, though Iron played intelligently as well. Leenock..I don't know what is wrong with this guy..how can a Ro16 GSL 3 player not know how to beat only marines? no you dont get ultras, you dont get hive, you dont need anything more than lings and banelings. infestors help and go well with it but just marines are so incredibly easy to stop, I cant understand these zergs who struggle with only bio, or these terrans who think only bio is good. It doesnt even matter how many upgrades the marines have or if they have medivacs. banelings nullify both of those, though of course you should upgrade anyway as it helps for sure and not scouting the rocks? free scouting with 1 overlord, it's not like there are so many other important spots to check. just really embarrassingly stupid play overall Leenock showed potential though, game 2 was really good play from him, minus his weird drone transfer mistake. He's really youn though, so I expect he'll become a major force within a couple of years since he's already this good. | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
It wasn't long ago that Jinro was this underdog player who failed two qualify for GSL twice and who no one expected to win MLG. I guess the next step is getting to the Ro4. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On December 04 2010 05:23 Zelniq wrote: congrats to jinro, steamrolled as expected. july's loss was really upsetting, a couple crucial mistakes cost him series, though Iron played intelligently as well. Leenock..I don't know what is wrong with this guy..how can a Ro16 GSL 3 player not know how to beat only marines? no you dont get ultras, you dont get hive, you dont need anything more than lings and banelings. infestors help and go well with it but just marines are so incredibly easy to stop, I cant understand these zergs who struggle with only bio, or these terrans who think only bio is good. It doesnt even matter how many upgrades the marines have or if they have medivacs. banelings nullify both of those, though of course you should upgrade anyway as it helps for sure and not scouting the rocks? free scouting with 1 overlord, it's not like there are so many other important spots to check. just really embarrassingly stupid play overall Leenock seems to be a thinking player - strategically he is pretty sound. I geniunely don't believe he is a better micro player than say Kyrix. So to say the play was embarrasingly stupid is just wrong (I will give you the not scouting thing though). Kyrix who fundamentally used ONLY banes/slings and a touch of mutas pretty much only broke even with MK (if you count the finals match at All-Stars). Maybe MK's micro doesn't look as impressive on screen or something, but it is insanely hard to beat his marines. | ||
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cordlc
United States360 Posts
On December 04 2010 03:08 nam nam wrote: So? Even if that's true, zivac's statement might hold. One does not exclude the other. So, it might not hold. The point is, him making it to RO8 does not "prove" he's the best foreigner. It's silly to try and judge skill with just these tournament placements, as there's plenty of luck involved. The only thing GSL3 showed us, is that he's capable of beating NEXDrug, Moon, and PoltPrime (who played terribly). I'm sure other foreigners are capable of this feat. | ||
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Dr.Frost
United States389 Posts
On December 04 2010 05:23 Zelniq wrote: congrats to jinro, steamrolled as expected. july's loss was really upsetting, a couple crucial mistakes cost him series, though Iron played intelligently as well. Leenock..I don't know what is wrong with this guy..how can a Ro16 GSL 3 player not know how to beat only marines? no you dont get ultras, you dont get hive, you dont need anything more than lings and banelings. infestors help and go well with it but just marines are so incredibly easy to stop, I cant understand these zergs who struggle with only bio, or these terrans who think only bio is good. It doesnt even matter how many upgrades the marines have or if they have medivacs. banelings nullify both of those, though of course you should upgrade anyway as it helps for sure and not scouting the rocks? free scouting with 1 overlord, it's not like there are so many other important spots to check. just really embarrassingly stupid play overall I would love to Zelniq vs Marineking. Lol It is funny that people think Marineking's strat is bad when he has beaten Kyrix, Fruitdealer (more than once), Nestea, Leenock, oGsZenio, and ST_Monster with it. I know your a decent player Zelniq, but your not even close to these players level and every top Zerg has lost to him. It obviously does work. He has proved it time and time again. | ||
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k20
United States342 Posts
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 04 2010 05:42 cordlc wrote: So, it might not hold. The point is, him making it to RO8 does not "prove" he's the best foreigner. It's silly to try and judge skill with just these tournament placements, as there's plenty of luck involved. The only thing GSL3 showed us, is that he's capable of beating NEXDrug, Moon, and PoltPrime (who played terribly). I'm sure other foreigners are capable of this feat. Yes, getting to ro8 does not prove or disprove him being the best foreigner (which was my point as well...). Again... so? Zivic made a statement that "jinro proved to everyone he is atm best foreigner". He didn't say anything about the bracket and it's just as likely he was just making a comment based on the way Jinro played, not who he beat. Sure it was a hyperbole saying he proved it to everybody but saying he's got an easier bracket is just a weak counter argument to a point he didn't make. | ||
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cordlc
United States360 Posts
On December 04 2010 05:50 nam nam wrote: Yes, getting to ro8 does not prove or disprove him being the best foreigner (my point as well). Again... so? Zivic made a statement that "jinro proved to everyone he is atm best foreigner". He didn't say anything about the bracket and it's just as likely he was just making a comment based on the way Jinro played, not who he beat. Sure it was a hyperbole saying he proved it to everybody but saying he's got an easier bracket is just a weak counter argument to a point he didn't make. Well, if he tried to imply that his games against PoltPrime proved he's the best foreigner, that's even worse. Polt played poorly, there's no way you can make that conclusion from those games. And just in case - zivac's statement was referring to these latest matches at the very least, whether it was making it to RO8 or the matches themselves. Else he wouldn't have said this now. (edit: name is zivac, sorry) | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
thats awesome | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 04 2010 05:58 cordlc wrote: Well, if he tried to imply that his games against PoltPrime proved he's the best foreigner, that's even worse. Polt played poorly, there's no way you can make that conclusion from those games. And just in case - zivac's statement was referring to these latest matches at the very least, whether it was making it to RO8 or the matches themselves. Else he wouldn't have said this now. (edit: name is zivac, sorry) You mean if I watch, lets say the worlds best tennis player, I can't tell if he's playing good even if his opponent is having a bad day? That's stupid. You can judge how well a player plays despite his opponent. (Also those things seems to coincide, that player look really bad against better ones) And how can you say that zivic only based it on the last few games? If he hadn't won MLG I bet we would have a lot less people writing him up, or at least more of the people saying it's just a fluke. Are you seriously suggesting that people just look at the bracket and think "oh he advanced to the ro8, he MUST be the best foreigner?" I actually give people a little more credit than that. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
On December 04 2010 05:23 Zelniq wrote: congrats to jinro, steamrolled as expected. july's loss was really upsetting, a couple crucial mistakes cost him series, though Iron played intelligently as well. Leenock..I don't know what is wrong with this guy..how can a Ro16 GSL 3 player not know how to beat only marines? no you dont get ultras, you dont get hive, you dont need anything more than lings and banelings. infestors help and go well with it but just marines are so incredibly easy to stop, I cant understand these zergs who struggle with only bio, or these terrans who think only bio is good. It doesnt even matter how many upgrades the marines have or if they have medivacs. banelings nullify both of those, though of course you should upgrade anyway as it helps for sure and not scouting the rocks? free scouting with 1 overlord, it's not like there are so many other important spots to check. just really embarrassingly stupid play overall There's a reason he's one of the top ranked terrans in the world. There's a reason he has advanced so far in both seasons. Marines are good. Also, LeenockfOu is arguably the best player of fOu, which has done VERY well in season 3 overall. You want to argue that it's stupid how zergs can lose? MarineKingPrime himself said infestors would get roflstomped before they can be really effective. He even commented hive tech was the way to go on Jungle Basin. KyrixZenith has tried the simple sling bling strategy, and guess what, he lost the series. Not sure why you'd call it 'stupid' knowing you're probably one of the more intelligent posters on this forum. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
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