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Terran played for 4 months destroying zerg because they had a unit that could out micro any zerg unit until lair tech. They need to adopt new strategies now that they cant cripple a zerg at the 4 minute mark. When we see a Terran that has the macro skills of Idra or Fruitdealer get roflstomped, then we can talk about imbalance. Currently, both of those players look like they are the best in the world, they just both happen to be zerg and fought against a ton of adversity while reapers were completely imba as a low tier unit.
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On October 26 2010 04:17 Keldaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 02:33 joonp wrote:
I think Nada is indisputably a top terran right now. He is one of the very few Terrans whose macro is already extremely good with beautiful timing on almost everything and good micro.
I think a large reason why some people and terrans think that ZvT is imbalanced is because Terrans don't learn how to macro like most good Zergs have to in order to beat other races. In any match up the person who is out macroing their opponent is going to win, period. It's just that Zergs do it constantly. I highly anticipate Nada versus IdrA or Cool to see how their macro wars stack up. I don't want to burst it for you, but you can't just compete on a macro game against zerg, except if you outplay him by a lot. That's how it's intended to be, not whining about it, but you are just wrong about what people is speaking about (even if they are, or are not right). They are talking about how zergs can go macro mode way easier than before and terran players can't hurt them for that in a reliable way.. I am not gonna say tvz is imbalanced yet, time will tell better than some random post right now. But i believe some zerg players should do the same before saying "it's balanced now".
How can Zergs now macro mode easier than before besides the super early reaper rush being nerfed?
Zergs don't lose flat out when fast expanding to terran any more, oh no.
I'm not wrong about anything. Terran aren't macroing properly and get beaten by Zerg who do macro and defend their pressure.
This would happen in TvP as well if the Terran let a protoss macro up. It has nothing to do with the match up, but the players. It is balanced.
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On October 26 2010 03:50 forr4078 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 02:47 w_Ender_w wrote:
I wonder what the Korean commentators say about IdrA during his matches? What the prevailing opinion of him is in Korea? Most comments in the chatroom is about his hair loss, how old he looks compared to his age, and how his name is "Grack".
That is awesome. If Boxer and Idra make it out of their brackets, they'll probably play each other (Bracket C vs Bracket D). The hype and LOLs will be off the charts if they meet up.
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i'm no pro but i have no idea how to beat zerg as terran atm. haven't really had much chance to try out stuff tho.
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On October 26 2010 04:44 joonp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 04:17 Keldaur wrote:On October 26 2010 02:33 joonp wrote:
I think Nada is indisputably a top terran right now. He is one of the very few Terrans whose macro is already extremely good with beautiful timing on almost everything and good micro.
I think a large reason why some people and terrans think that ZvT is imbalanced is because Terrans don't learn how to macro like most good Zergs have to in order to beat other races. In any match up the person who is out macroing their opponent is going to win, period. It's just that Zergs do it constantly. I highly anticipate Nada versus IdrA or Cool to see how their macro wars stack up. I don't want to burst it for you, but you can't just compete on a macro game against zerg, except if you outplay him by a lot. That's how it's intended to be, not whining about it, but you are just wrong about what people is speaking about (even if they are, or are not right). They are talking about how zergs can go macro mode way easier than before and terran players can't hurt them for that in a reliable way.. I am not gonna say tvz is imbalanced yet, time will tell better than some random post right now. But i believe some zerg players should do the same before saying "it's balanced now". How can Zergs now macro mode easier than before besides the super early reaper rush being nerfed? Zergs don't lose flat out when fast expanding to terran any more, oh no. I'm not wrong about anything. Terran aren't macroing properly and get beaten by Zerg who do macro and defend their pressure. This would happen in TvP as well if the Terran let a protoss macro up. It has nothing to do with the match up, but the players. It is balanced.
You can keep claiming that everything is balanced, this wouldn't make it so.
GSL will most likely end up with a ZvZ final despite the fact that only 20% of korean players play Zerg (they are currently over 1/3 of Zerg in the competition, which is already a strong over-representation). This will say much more than your personal assertions on balance.
Btw, the reaper wasn't the only nerfed Terran unit since the release of the game.
Siege tank used to do 60 core dmg. Medivac used to be fast. Battlecruisers used to do a lot of damage.
Now what's the point of camping as Terran if your ball of death contains siege tanks doing 35dmg , marines dying of 2 fungal growth, and battlecruisers now dealing the same dmg as marines.
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If we ever get to see IdrA vs Nada, its going to be the most glorious macro game ever. Nerdgasm ahead.
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I'm no pro either, but as a Zerg, reapers were just one in a long list of annoying tactics Terrans used on me. Reapers can STILL harass a little early game, and then Hellions aren't exactly too far behind, and then VIKINGS can come out super fast before Zerg has any real anti-air, and then you can even do a BANSHEE w/cloak before the Zerg gets any detection. And if you don't like THOSE units, heck, just use MMM and DROP everywhere. And if you're even slightly worried about Zerg attacking your front, just make bunkers WHICH ARE FREE, or build a planetary fortress which, as a rule, DOESN'T DIE.
I'm just saying: reapers were just one of many annoying things that Terrans have done to me. Probably one of the funnest aspects of playing Terran has got to be the number of options you have for harassment. If I were Terran, I'd try to tap into that some more.
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On October 26 2010 04:51 TeWy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 04:44 joonp wrote:On October 26 2010 04:17 Keldaur wrote:On October 26 2010 02:33 joonp wrote:
I think Nada is indisputably a top terran right now. He is one of the very few Terrans whose macro is already extremely good with beautiful timing on almost everything and good micro.
I think a large reason why some people and terrans think that ZvT is imbalanced is because Terrans don't learn how to macro like most good Zergs have to in order to beat other races. In any match up the person who is out macroing their opponent is going to win, period. It's just that Zergs do it constantly. I highly anticipate Nada versus IdrA or Cool to see how their macro wars stack up. I don't want to burst it for you, but you can't just compete on a macro game against zerg, except if you outplay him by a lot. That's how it's intended to be, not whining about it, but you are just wrong about what people is speaking about (even if they are, or are not right). They are talking about how zergs can go macro mode way easier than before and terran players can't hurt them for that in a reliable way.. I am not gonna say tvz is imbalanced yet, time will tell better than some random post right now. But i believe some zerg players should do the same before saying "it's balanced now". How can Zergs now macro mode easier than before besides the super early reaper rush being nerfed? Zergs don't lose flat out when fast expanding to terran any more, oh no. I'm not wrong about anything. Terran aren't macroing properly and get beaten by Zerg who do macro and defend their pressure. This would happen in TvP as well if the Terran let a protoss macro up. It has nothing to do with the match up, but the players. It is balanced. GSL will most likely end up with a ZvZ final despite the fact that only 20% of korean players play Zerg (they are currently over 1/3 of Zerg in the competition, which is already a strong over-representation). This will say much more than your personal assertions on balance.
I like how you base most of your whining on a prediction.
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Go idra, hopefully see him in more zvt against mvp, the first strong terran he will face this tourney.
Also so much lulz at the fact that the ro16 could end up with half zerg still after such a low starting number.
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ok regarding ZvT or ZvP late game...yes, if the Zerg has 4 bases to your two then you are screwed. We will wreck you with overwhelming numbers. However, if you have 3 bases to our 4 and have tanks with support or collossus with support...you can still wreck us in the first clash. You just gotta take out an expo in that first clash and do some econ damage or the Z will comeback.
So far the games I've seen are terrans who sit back in their base with little harass or failed harass, and then pushing out against a 4 base Zerg with their two. Yeah, At that point a Z can suicide his 200 army and make another 200 and still win.
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On October 26 2010 04:51 TeWy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 04:44 joonp wrote:On October 26 2010 04:17 Keldaur wrote:On October 26 2010 02:33 joonp wrote:
I think Nada is indisputably a top terran right now. He is one of the very few Terrans whose macro is already extremely good with beautiful timing on almost everything and good micro.
I think a large reason why some people and terrans think that ZvT is imbalanced is because Terrans don't learn how to macro like most good Zergs have to in order to beat other races. In any match up the person who is out macroing their opponent is going to win, period. It's just that Zergs do it constantly. I highly anticipate Nada versus IdrA or Cool to see how their macro wars stack up. I don't want to burst it for you, but you can't just compete on a macro game against zerg, except if you outplay him by a lot. That's how it's intended to be, not whining about it, but you are just wrong about what people is speaking about (even if they are, or are not right). They are talking about how zergs can go macro mode way easier than before and terran players can't hurt them for that in a reliable way.. I am not gonna say tvz is imbalanced yet, time will tell better than some random post right now. But i believe some zerg players should do the same before saying "it's balanced now". How can Zergs now macro mode easier than before besides the super early reaper rush being nerfed? Zergs don't lose flat out when fast expanding to terran any more, oh no. I'm not wrong about anything. Terran aren't macroing properly and get beaten by Zerg who do macro and defend their pressure. This would happen in TvP as well if the Terran let a protoss macro up. It has nothing to do with the match up, but the players. It is balanced. You can keep claiming that everything is balanced, this wouldn't make it so. GSL will most likely end up with a ZvZ final despite the fact that only 20% of korean players play Zerg (they are currently over 1/3 of Zerg in the competition, which is already a strong over-representation). This will say much more than your personal assertions on balance. Btw, the reaper wasn't the only nerfed Terran unit since the release of the game. Siege tank used to do 60 core dmg. Medivac used to be fast. Battlecruisers used to do a lot of damage. Now what's the point of camping as Terran if your ball of death contains siege tanks doing 35dmg , marines dying of 2 fungal growth, and battlecruisers now dealing the same dmg as marines.
Don't camp?
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On October 26 2010 05:09 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 04:51 TeWy wrote:On October 26 2010 04:44 joonp wrote:On October 26 2010 04:17 Keldaur wrote:On October 26 2010 02:33 joonp wrote:
I think Nada is indisputably a top terran right now. He is one of the very few Terrans whose macro is already extremely good with beautiful timing on almost everything and good micro.
I think a large reason why some people and terrans think that ZvT is imbalanced is because Terrans don't learn how to macro like most good Zergs have to in order to beat other races. In any match up the person who is out macroing their opponent is going to win, period. It's just that Zergs do it constantly. I highly anticipate Nada versus IdrA or Cool to see how their macro wars stack up. I don't want to burst it for you, but you can't just compete on a macro game against zerg, except if you outplay him by a lot. That's how it's intended to be, not whining about it, but you are just wrong about what people is speaking about (even if they are, or are not right). They are talking about how zergs can go macro mode way easier than before and terran players can't hurt them for that in a reliable way.. I am not gonna say tvz is imbalanced yet, time will tell better than some random post right now. But i believe some zerg players should do the same before saying "it's balanced now". How can Zergs now macro mode easier than before besides the super early reaper rush being nerfed? Zergs don't lose flat out when fast expanding to terran any more, oh no. I'm not wrong about anything. Terran aren't macroing properly and get beaten by Zerg who do macro and defend their pressure. This would happen in TvP as well if the Terran let a protoss macro up. It has nothing to do with the match up, but the players. It is balanced. You can keep claiming that everything is balanced, this wouldn't make it so. GSL will most likely end up with a ZvZ final despite the fact that only 20% of korean players play Zerg (they are currently over 1/3 of Zerg in the competition, which is already a strong over-representation). This will say much more than your personal assertions on balance. Btw, the reaper wasn't the only nerfed Terran unit since the release of the game. Siege tank used to do 60 core dmg. Medivac used to be fast. Battlecruisers used to do a lot of damage. Now what's the point of camping as Terran if your ball of death contains siege tanks doing 35dmg , marines dying of 2 fungal growth, and battlecruisers now dealing the same dmg as marines. Don't camp?
Camping/playing macro... whatever, there's no point in going to the lategame against Zerg as both your army and economy will be less strong... I say this as a Zerg player (used to be Protoss before the patch)...
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On October 26 2010 05:00 zarepath wrote:
I'm no pro either, but as a Zerg, reapers were just one in a long list of annoying tactics Terrans used on me. Reapers can STILL harass a little early game, and then Hellions aren't exactly too far behind, and then VIKINGS can come out super fast before Zerg has any real anti-air, and then you can even do a BANSHEE w/cloak before the Zerg gets any detection. And if you don't like THOSE units, heck, just use MMM and DROP everywhere. And if you're even slightly worried about Zerg attacking your front, just make bunkers WHICH ARE FREE, or build a planetary fortress which, as a rule, DOESN'T DIE.
I'm just saying: reapers were just one of many annoying things that Terrans have done to me. Probably one of the funnest aspects of playing Terran has got to be the number of options you have for harassment. If I were Terran, I'd try to tap into that some more.
No.
Roach range changed everything that reaper nerf hadn't destroyed already.
Helions can't do shit against one sunken and 3-5 roaches. Before the 4 range they could sneak behind the mineral line, taking a few hit in the process, attacking once or twice before dying or escaping to take another "tour".
Now they sneak in the mineral line, get a lot of hit in the process, attacks once then die, having killed 0 to 3 drones.
I agree the pre 1.1.1 situation was ridiculously hard for zergs, but the reaper nerf changed things. Then zerg began to defend well already, THEN 1.1.2 hit, and now you just can't harass a Z anymore. Because 3 queens, 5 roaches/a pack of slings and 1 crawler will deny ANY harass.
I don't say it's imbalanced, I'm just fed up with people that say "nothing has changed". Right, I wonder how the Z winrate in GSL seems to have doubled or tripled if nothing has changed, everything has changed, it's obvious.
Watch any high level TvZ replay, skip to the 8 minute mark, open income tab. Usualy the zerg will have 50-60 workers to 30-35 for the terran. Now I understand why blizzard gave the mule to T =)
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On October 26 2010 05:10 TeWy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 05:09 StorkHwaiting wrote:On October 26 2010 04:51 TeWy wrote:On October 26 2010 04:44 joonp wrote:On October 26 2010 04:17 Keldaur wrote:On October 26 2010 02:33 joonp wrote:
I think Nada is indisputably a top terran right now. He is one of the very few Terrans whose macro is already extremely good with beautiful timing on almost everything and good micro.
I think a large reason why some people and terrans think that ZvT is imbalanced is because Terrans don't learn how to macro like most good Zergs have to in order to beat other races. In any match up the person who is out macroing their opponent is going to win, period. It's just that Zergs do it constantly. I highly anticipate Nada versus IdrA or Cool to see how their macro wars stack up. I don't want to burst it for you, but you can't just compete on a macro game against zerg, except if you outplay him by a lot. That's how it's intended to be, not whining about it, but you are just wrong about what people is speaking about (even if they are, or are not right). They are talking about how zergs can go macro mode way easier than before and terran players can't hurt them for that in a reliable way.. I am not gonna say tvz is imbalanced yet, time will tell better than some random post right now. But i believe some zerg players should do the same before saying "it's balanced now". How can Zergs now macro mode easier than before besides the super early reaper rush being nerfed? Zergs don't lose flat out when fast expanding to terran any more, oh no. I'm not wrong about anything. Terran aren't macroing properly and get beaten by Zerg who do macro and defend their pressure. This would happen in TvP as well if the Terran let a protoss macro up. It has nothing to do with the match up, but the players. It is balanced. You can keep claiming that everything is balanced, this wouldn't make it so. GSL will most likely end up with a ZvZ final despite the fact that only 20% of korean players play Zerg (they are currently over 1/3 of Zerg in the competition, which is already a strong over-representation). This will say much more than your personal assertions on balance. Btw, the reaper wasn't the only nerfed Terran unit since the release of the game. Siege tank used to do 60 core dmg. Medivac used to be fast. Battlecruisers used to do a lot of damage. Now what's the point of camping as Terran if your ball of death contains siege tanks doing 35dmg , marines dying of 2 fungal growth, and battlecruisers now dealing the same dmg as marines. Don't camp? Camping/playing macro... whatever, there's no point in going to the lategame against Zerg as both your army and economy will be less strong... I say this as a Zerg player (used to be Protoss before the patch)...
When you watch actual good terrans play macro games with zerg (like loner) they do it right. Watch them play. QXC took a game off of Idra as well in a macro game! Just most terrans dont' know how yet as their used to their 2 base winning. Learn to expo as terran more just watch Loner vs Sen great example of how tvz should be played now.
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On October 26 2010 05:12 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 05:10 TeWy wrote:On October 26 2010 05:09 StorkHwaiting wrote:On October 26 2010 04:51 TeWy wrote:On October 26 2010 04:44 joonp wrote:On October 26 2010 04:17 Keldaur wrote:On October 26 2010 02:33 joonp wrote:
I think Nada is indisputably a top terran right now. He is one of the very few Terrans whose macro is already extremely good with beautiful timing on almost everything and good micro.
I think a large reason why some people and terrans think that ZvT is imbalanced is because Terrans don't learn how to macro like most good Zergs have to in order to beat other races. In any match up the person who is out macroing their opponent is going to win, period. It's just that Zergs do it constantly. I highly anticipate Nada versus IdrA or Cool to see how their macro wars stack up. I don't want to burst it for you, but you can't just compete on a macro game against zerg, except if you outplay him by a lot. That's how it's intended to be, not whining about it, but you are just wrong about what people is speaking about (even if they are, or are not right). They are talking about how zergs can go macro mode way easier than before and terran players can't hurt them for that in a reliable way.. I am not gonna say tvz is imbalanced yet, time will tell better than some random post right now. But i believe some zerg players should do the same before saying "it's balanced now". How can Zergs now macro mode easier than before besides the super early reaper rush being nerfed? Zergs don't lose flat out when fast expanding to terran any more, oh no. I'm not wrong about anything. Terran aren't macroing properly and get beaten by Zerg who do macro and defend their pressure. This would happen in TvP as well if the Terran let a protoss macro up. It has nothing to do with the match up, but the players. It is balanced. You can keep claiming that everything is balanced, this wouldn't make it so. GSL will most likely end up with a ZvZ final despite the fact that only 20% of korean players play Zerg (they are currently over 1/3 of Zerg in the competition, which is already a strong over-representation). This will say much more than your personal assertions on balance. Btw, the reaper wasn't the only nerfed Terran unit since the release of the game. Siege tank used to do 60 core dmg. Medivac used to be fast. Battlecruisers used to do a lot of damage. Now what's the point of camping as Terran if your ball of death contains siege tanks doing 35dmg , marines dying of 2 fungal growth, and battlecruisers now dealing the same dmg as marines. Don't camp? Camping/playing macro... whatever, there's no point in going to the lategame against Zerg as both your army and economy will be less strong... I say this as a Zerg player (used to be Protoss before the patch)... When you watch actual good terrans play macro games with zerg (like loner) they do it right. Watch them play. QXC took a game off of Idra as well in a macro game! Just most terrans dont' know how yet as their used to their 2 base winning. Learn to expo as terran more just watch Loner vs Sen great example of how tvz should be played now. You talk about the xel naga game qxc vs idra ? You consider that a macro game ?
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On October 26 2010 05:08 zak wrote:
ok regarding ZvT or ZvP late game...yes, if the Zerg has 4 bases to your two then you are screwed. We will wreck you with overwhelming numbers. However, if you have 3 bases to our 4 and have tanks with support or collossus with support...you can still wreck us in the first clash. You just gotta take out an expo in that first clash and do some econ damage or the Z will comeback.
So far the games I've seen are terrans who sit back in their base with little harass or failed harass, and then pushing out against a 4 base Zerg with their two. Yeah, At that point a Z can suicide his 200 army and make another 200 and still win.
Clearly the problem has been for most t that they have not had an answer to mutas mid game. Until there is a good answer for that all zerg is doing at this point is surviving to mutas and then expanding twice more while keeping t on 2 bases at which point the game is pretty much over outside of a blunder.
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On October 26 2010 05:12 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 05:00 zarepath wrote:
I'm no pro either, but as a Zerg, reapers were just one in a long list of annoying tactics Terrans used on me. Reapers can STILL harass a little early game, and then Hellions aren't exactly too far behind, and then VIKINGS can come out super fast before Zerg has any real anti-air, and then you can even do a BANSHEE w/cloak before the Zerg gets any detection. And if you don't like THOSE units, heck, just use MMM and DROP everywhere. And if you're even slightly worried about Zerg attacking your front, just make bunkers WHICH ARE FREE, or build a planetary fortress which, as a rule, DOESN'T DIE.
I'm just saying: reapers were just one of many annoying things that Terrans have done to me. Probably one of the funnest aspects of playing Terran has got to be the number of options you have for harassment. If I were Terran, I'd try to tap into that some more. No. Roach range changed everything that reaper nerf hadn't destroyed already. Helions can't do shit against one sunken and 3-5 roaches. Before the 4 range they could sneak behind the mineral line, taking a few hit in the process, attacking once or twice before dying or escaping to take another "tour". Now they sneak in the mineral line, get a lot of hit in the process, attacks once then die, having killed 0 to 3 drones. I agree the pre 1.1.1 situation was ridiculously hard for zergs, but the reaper nerf changed things. Then zerg began to defend well already, THEN 1.1.2 hit, and now you just can't harass a Z anymore. Because 3 queens, 5 roaches/a pack of slings and 1 crawler will deny ANY harass. I don't say it's imbalanced, I'm just fed up with people that say "nothing has changed". Right, I wonder how the Z winrate in GSL seems to have double or tripled if nothing has changed, everything has changed, it obvious. Watch any high level TvZ replay, skip to the 8 minute mark, open income tab. Usualy the zerg will have 50-60 workers to 30-35 for the terran. Now I understand why blizzard gave the mule to T =)
This is completely incorrect. If he's dropped a sunken and made roaches to repel your harass, it's already done damage. That's at least 6 drones he didn't make. Plus, Hellions are one of the fastest units - use them to scout.
If you still want to harass, then use Octodrops, Thor Drops, Banshees with Cloak, Vikings to snipe overlords/land to snipe drones, Ghosts with or without nuke, Ravens to destroy creep...
Terran still has TONS of things that are under used because every Terran just wants to go MMM+Thor and then cry when Banelings rape their dudes and Mutas rape everything else. Seriously. GO INNOVATE. How do you think Zerg discovered the Magic Box?
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On October 26 2010 05:15 bigjenk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 05:08 zak wrote:
ok regarding ZvT or ZvP late game...yes, if the Zerg has 4 bases to your two then you are screwed. We will wreck you with overwhelming numbers. However, if you have 3 bases to our 4 and have tanks with support or collossus with support...you can still wreck us in the first clash. You just gotta take out an expo in that first clash and do some econ damage or the Z will comeback.
So far the games I've seen are terrans who sit back in their base with little harass or failed harass, and then pushing out against a 4 base Zerg with their two. Yeah, At that point a Z can suicide his 200 army and make another 200 and still win. Clearly the problem has been for most t that they have not had an answer to mutas mid game. Until there is a good answer for that all zerg is doing at this point is surviving to mutas and then expanding twice more while keeping t on 2 bases at which point the game is pretty much over outside of a blunder.
this i can identify with.
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On October 26 2010 05:18 KingRajesh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2010 05:12 MrCon wrote:On October 26 2010 05:00 zarepath wrote:
I'm no pro either, but as a Zerg, reapers were just one in a long list of annoying tactics Terrans used on me. Reapers can STILL harass a little early game, and then Hellions aren't exactly too far behind, and then VIKINGS can come out super fast before Zerg has any real anti-air, and then you can even do a BANSHEE w/cloak before the Zerg gets any detection. And if you don't like THOSE units, heck, just use MMM and DROP everywhere. And if you're even slightly worried about Zerg attacking your front, just make bunkers WHICH ARE FREE, or build a planetary fortress which, as a rule, DOESN'T DIE.
I'm just saying: reapers were just one of many annoying things that Terrans have done to me. Probably one of the funnest aspects of playing Terran has got to be the number of options you have for harassment. If I were Terran, I'd try to tap into that some more. No. Roach range changed everything that reaper nerf hadn't destroyed already. Helions can't do shit against one sunken and 3-5 roaches. Before the 4 range they could sneak behind the mineral line, taking a few hit in the process, attacking once or twice before dying or escaping to take another "tour". Now they sneak in the mineral line, get a lot of hit in the process, attacks once then die, having killed 0 to 3 drones. I agree the pre 1.1.1 situation was ridiculously hard for zergs, but the reaper nerf changed things. Then zerg began to defend well already, THEN 1.1.2 hit, and now you just can't harass a Z anymore. Because 3 queens, 5 roaches/a pack of slings and 1 crawler will deny ANY harass. I don't say it's imbalanced, I'm just fed up with people that say "nothing has changed". Right, I wonder how the Z winrate in GSL seems to have double or tripled if nothing has changed, everything has changed, it obvious. Watch any high level TvZ replay, skip to the 8 minute mark, open income tab. Usualy the zerg will have 50-60 workers to 30-35 for the terran. Now I understand why blizzard gave the mule to T =) This is completely incorrect. If he's dropped a sunken and made roaches to repel your harass, it's already done damage. That's at least 6 drones he didn't make. Plus, Hellions are one of the fastest units - use them to scout. If you still want to harass, then use Octodrops, Thor Drops, Banshees with Cloak, Vikings to snipe overlords/land to snipe drones, Ghosts with or without nuke, Ravens to destroy creep... Terran still has TONS of things that are under used because every Terran just wants to go MMM+Thor and then cry when Banelings rape their dudes and Mutas rape everything else. Seriously. GO INNOVATE. How do you think Zerg discovered the Magic Box?
yeah, more theorycrafting.
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