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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-27 11:09:58
September 27 2010 11:09 GMT
#761
On September 27 2010 20:07 amorpheus wrote:
the OC was up in the air ffs
of course when it landed he put down the mules asap


LOL that's the whole point - when you manage to force the terran to keep the CC in the air, you expect to have a little bit of an advantage even after it has landed again

but let's stop the QQ there, no point and doesn't belong here anyways
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Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
September 27 2010 11:09 GMT
#762
On September 27 2010 20:06 Immersion_ wrote:
It's amazing how much whining there is in the thread considering in every series the best player (on the DAY) by far has won comfortably

To be completely honest and serious, its because the play exhibited by the Terrans winning could best be described as 'average' or 'boring'. Its very difficult to see their greater skill when they're just macroing and 1a or very simple micro.

This is as opposed to Tester, whom you could see very clearly had to play very awesomely to beat a very early all-in and a 200/200 terran army with a smaller protoss one.

abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
September 27 2010 11:09 GMT
#763
On September 27 2010 20:06 Pekkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 20:03 Ghad wrote:
Ensnare completely craps out on his macro during combat but no worries, he just calls down like six mules at the same time once it calms down.


They seriously need to put cooldown on Mule. They need to do somthing to punish people who forget to use it. Atm it doesnt matter if you macro or not, you catch up when you want to.


Even if it's just 10 seconds between each one - that's not unreasonable.
Why does medivac move so fast with no paid upgrade to movement speed like warp prism. Free heal too.
derpmods
forklift
Profile Joined August 2010
United States98 Posts
September 27 2010 11:09 GMT
#764
um lawl? he obviously uses GRID, hes not clicking the box, artosis.
cyprin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1105 Posts
September 27 2010 11:09 GMT
#765
He should of answered "at least to the ro8"
D:
Lovedrop
Profile Joined April 2010
2629 Posts
September 27 2010 11:10 GMT
#766
I don't think Artosis remember that N is for Nuke and M is for Moebius Reactor...which we saw him researching right after the nuke, it's not that he clicks, it's that he accidently hits N instead of M.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
September 27 2010 11:10 GMT
#767
On September 27 2010 20:09 Fa1nT wrote:
"nuke was an accident, who needs 100/100 to win? lololol"

o.-


so ridic lol

oh i made nuke OOPS oh well still win x.x
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MatiNO
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia327 Posts
September 27 2010 11:10 GMT
#768
mules need to have cooldown tho.
Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
September 27 2010 11:10 GMT
#769
On September 27 2010 20:06 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 20:04 Pekkz wrote:
Ensnare not been macroing for 10 years, No problem , drop 5 mules at a time! Now he wins, jesus christ.


Yes compared to protoss: "oops i forgot to macro up an army while my other army died, NP i can make an army INSTANTLY anywhere on the map"


Why is this a bad thing? I he had been macroing during the battle he would have twice as many units. Bad macro is bad macro. Front loaded production cycles just means you're a little safer from counterattack if you suck at macro. Having enough warp gates on cooldown to make units "anytime you want" is still bad macro and very punishable.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
September 27 2010 11:10 GMT
#770
On September 27 2010 20:07 Innsmouth-Zerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 20:06 Pulimuli wrote:
On September 27 2010 20:04 Pekkz wrote:
Ensnare not been macroing for 10 years, No problem , drop 5 mules at a time! Now he wins, jesus christ.


Yes compared to protoss: "oops i forgot to macro up an army while my other army died, NP i can make an army INSTANTLY anywhere on the map"


you do know that warp gates DO have a COOLDOWN right? right?


yea but i said, the protoss forgot to actually make units while fighting. If a terran loses all his units he's dead. If a protoss loses all his units he can instantly make a new army.

Toss players need to stop whining about mules, without mules terrans eco would be so far behind protoss because they can chrono boost probes.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
September 27 2010 11:10 GMT
#771
On September 27 2010 20:09 JinDesu wrote:
It wasn't so much the mules - Anypro threw away 3 voidrays and his entire army in the wrong goddamn situations.



Stimmed marines take down a voidray in 3seconds, he has to take a risk when using them otherwise he can't use them at all.
dbddbddb
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore969 Posts
September 27 2010 11:10 GMT
#772
On September 27 2010 20:09 sikatrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 20:06 Pekkz wrote:
On September 27 2010 20:03 Ghad wrote:
Ensnare completely craps out on his macro during combat but no worries, he just calls down like six mules at the same time once it calms down.


They seriously need to put cooldown on Mule. They need to do somthing to punish people who forget to use it. Atm it doesnt matter if you macro or not, you catch up when you want to.


or he was saving energy for scans b4 his raven came out? then his cc was lifted for 2-3 mins? logic plx


no matter who you are, you are going to have excess energy on your nexus/command centers in long games.
difference is, if you forgot to drop mules, you can drop all of them at once. you cant stack chrono boost more than once on a building though and not every building needs to be chrono boosted.
abrasion
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia722 Posts
September 27 2010 11:11 GMT
#773
On September 27 2010 20:09 sikatrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 20:06 Pekkz wrote:
On September 27 2010 20:03 Ghad wrote:
Ensnare completely craps out on his macro during combat but no worries, he just calls down like six mules at the same time once it calms down.


They seriously need to put cooldown on Mule. They need to do somthing to punish people who forget to use it. Atm it doesnt matter if you macro or not, you catch up when you want to.


or he was saving energy for scans b4 his raven came out? then his cc was lifted for 2-3 mins? logic plx



How does that negate what he said?
derpmods
Krychek
Profile Joined May 2010
United States172 Posts
September 27 2010 11:11 GMT
#774
On September 27 2010 20:06 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 20:04 Pekkz wrote:
Ensnare not been macroing for 10 years, No problem , drop 5 mules at a time! Now he wins, jesus christ.


Yes compared to protoss: "oops i forgot to macro up an army while my other army died, NP i can make an army INSTANTLY anywhere on the map"


Sure, consider you have 4 gates, the standard in 2 base play, that means 4 units. Sure, 4 units, an army...Jesus.
Feel free to rage quit
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 27 2010 11:11 GMT
#775
Lets not turn this thread into a balance discussion.
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Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
September 27 2010 11:12 GMT
#776
On September 27 2010 20:09 sikatrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 20:06 Pekkz wrote:
On September 27 2010 20:03 Ghad wrote:
Ensnare completely craps out on his macro during combat but no worries, he just calls down like six mules at the same time once it calms down.


They seriously need to put cooldown on Mule. They need to do somthing to punish people who forget to use it. Atm it doesnt matter if you macro or not, you catch up when you want to.


or he was saving energy for scans b4 his raven came out? then his cc was lifted for 2-3 mins? logic plx



Yes, he was saving energy. That should punish his macro, because he is making that choice. Hence introduce cooldown on mules.
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Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
September 27 2010 11:12 GMT
#777
What seem to work the best for protoss against terran is fast voidray. Socke does this all the time, and i have yet to see it fail bad. On maps where you can charge up on rocks, and use pylon to keep it charged on the way into terran base. (Delta quadron, Desert oasis, steppes)..
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
September 27 2010 11:12 GMT
#778
On September 27 2010 20:03 Ghad wrote:
Ensnare completely craps out on his macro during combat but no worries, he just calls down like six mules at the same time once it calms down.


Yeah he should've been calling down MULEs from the half dead orbital command in the air.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
September 27 2010 11:12 GMT
#779
On September 27 2010 20:03 Elefanto wrote:
lol, we gonna see ALOT of tvts : /

just wait for next season, when nada, julyzerg, boxer, iloveoov and so forth will be playing in the qualifiers - they all play T. If they dont fix the bracket so a cpl non Ts have an easy road to like ro8 its probably gonna be even worse than this season
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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 27 2010 11:12 GMT
#780
On September 27 2010 20:09 Elwar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2010 20:06 Immersion_ wrote:
It's amazing how much whining there is in the thread considering in every series the best player (on the DAY) by far has won comfortably

To be completely honest and serious, its because the play exhibited by the Terrans winning could best be described as 'average' or 'boring'. Its very difficult to see their greater skill when they're just macroing and 1a or very simple micro.

This is as opposed to Tester, whom you could see very clearly had to play very awesomely to beat a very early all-in and a 200/200 terran army with a smaller protoss one.



I feel that Ensnare played pretty well - however! I feel that both his games, his play would still lose to Tester. Anypro is just not that good when you have someone like Tester to look at as the best of Protoss. Anypro's micro was terrible - his voidray (even though it got a lot of kills), was basically on a-move. It was just that ensnare never saw it coming.
Yargh
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