EPTeven in previous series he'll dominate for 1 game. And then he'll 6pool+ workers all in the next game. And then all in baneling busts the next game.
I think the problem currently is more on his mental state / form
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dtz
5834 Posts
even in previous series he'll dominate for 1 game. And then he'll 6pool+ workers all in the next game. And then all in baneling busts the next game. I think the problem currently is more on his mental state / form | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:55 SwampZero wrote: what the fuck is a 6pool gonna do to a double-pyloned 10 gate? It's gonna do shit-all, that's what. Dimaga becomes very predictable. After few loosing games you can pretty much guarantee he is gonna 6 pool lol | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:52 Ancient.eu wrote: What a disappointment from Dimaga. He played like this showmatch was a joke. Pretty sure that it wil be some time before organizers invite him in a showmatch. R u serious? - What's he supposed to do if his Expansion gets blocked by canons? - Besides, Protoss is incredibly strong later on in the game against Z, so All-in is the only way against Toss nowadays if you want to even have the slightest chance to win. - What can he do if his 6-pool failed, which is one of the best strats atm against Toss, cuz you may actually get some wins off of it? Either you're lucky or your not, but in a straight-up game between two equally skilled players (although I think DIMAGA is way beyond Kiwi's skill-level, but that doesn't really matter, cuz he's playing Protoss), Zerg can't win against Toss. That's also why Cool cheesed/all-in'd InCa today in the GSL-matches. | ||
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:53 Alpina wrote: I understand you tried your best but that was horrible experience - stream was lagging as hell and most of time it was black screen. Out of 4(?) games I watched only 2 and horrible with lag. And no, it's not my connection's problem, it's definately the problem of host  If it was a problem with the host, then why did I not experience any lag throughout the entire match? | ||
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SwampZero
Greece350 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:56 dtz wrote: dimaga has been playing very weird recently :S even in previous series he'll dominate for 1 game. And then he'll 6pool+ workers all in the next game. And then all in baneling busts the next game. I think the problem currently is more on his mental state / form Seriously. 6 pooling on game 4 of a 3-0 bo7 is just dumb. Easiest play in the world to read and counter, PLUS he did the exact same thing on their previous bo7. Everyone expected this 6pool. | ||
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SwampZero
Greece350 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:57 Alpina wrote: Dimaga becomes very predictable. After few loosing games you can pretty much guarantee he is gonna 6 pool lol We don't disagree, I'm saying his GG there wasn't random, it was him understanding this. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:59 SwampZero wrote: We don't disagree, I'm saying his GG there wasn't random, it was him understanding this. maybe Dimaga has become predictable because his playstyle is actually the only one that might get you some wins against Toss on a high skill-level. Why d'you think ppl like IdrA/Artosis (heavy macro-players) aren't in the GSL anymore, but the king of cheese/all-in's, still is (cool)? | ||
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Casta
Denmark234 Posts
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
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hijt
106 Posts
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:57 Corrupted wrote: If it was a problem with the host, then why did I not experience any lag throughout the entire match? A lot of people had lag and a lot of did not. I dunno how Ustream works, maybe they got different servers and one lags and the other not... Anyway I watch streams A LOT and never had such horrible lag as today. | ||
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PhoenixM1
United States178 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:48 T0fuuu wrote: Kiwikaki is insanely good. He has so many styles of play and unbelievable unit control. I see very few protoss who use forcefield and unit placement as neatly as he does. Tester + forcefield = GOD. But seriously, if you want to talk forcefields,micro and unit placement. Kiwi is good. . .but tester makes everyone else look bad. | ||
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SwampZero
Greece350 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:01 kickinhead wrote: maybe Dimaga has become predictable because his playstyle is actually the only one that might get you some wins against Toss on a high skill-level. Why d'you think ppl like IdrA/Artosis (heavy macro-players) aren't in the GSL anymore, but the king of cheese/all-in's, still is (cool)? good plays win games. bad plays lose games. What are you even talking about, is this some kind of e-honour thing? | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote: Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill. I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple.... *Edit: Dimaga had decent standard-builds against protoss that either for example heavily relied on Ultras. Now that they're nerfed, they just aren't good enough anymore. Also, ppl gotten better at handling Mutas and especially a player that likes Blink-Stalkers as much as Kiwi will be very hard to beat with mutas. Besides: On Maps where you could actually go Mutas against Toss, like SS, Kiwi just denied Dimagas expansion, therefore making Mutas impossible... | ||
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:02 Alpina wrote: A lot of people had lag and a lot of did not. I dunno how Ustream works, maybe they got different servers and one lags and the other not... Anyway I watch streams A LOT and never had such horrible lag as today. whatever...as long as we all agree the streamer had no control over this or ability to do anything about it. | ||
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote: - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple.... ahh...so you're speaking for Dimaga now. Well thanks for letting us know why he played the way he did...good to know we have someone here who gets those quick interviews after a game and keeps us all up to date. Personally I'd prefer quotes next time, but as long as you are telling us how he felt it's all good. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On September 29 2010 04:57 kickinhead wrote: R u serious? - What's he supposed to do if his Expansion gets blocked by canons? - Besides, Protoss is incredibly strong later on in the game against Z, so All-in is the only way against Toss nowadays if you want to even have the slightest chance to win. - What can he do if his 6-pool failed, which is one of the best strats atm against Toss, cuz you may actually get some wins off of it? Either you're lucky or your not, but in a straight-up game between two equally skilled players (although I think DIMAGA is way beyond Kiwi's skill-level, but that doesn't really matter, cuz he's playing Protoss), Zerg can't win against Toss. That's also why Cool cheesed/all-in'd InCa today in the GSL-matches. oh what a coincidence I believe kiwikaki's skill-level is way beyond dimaga's ^_^ | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:08 Corrupted wrote: ahh...so you're speaking for Dimaga now. Well thanks for letting us know why he played the way he did...good to know we have someone here who gets those quick interviews after a game and keeps us all up to date. Personally I'd prefer quotes next time, but as long as you are telling us how he felt it's all good. did you see the games? Obviously, Dimaga chose to go for all-in strats very often, like the 6-pool, so I believe those are the builds he think can actually get him the win, or are you implying Dimaga plays BO's that he thinks are bad? | ||
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tosS.ita
Italy523 Posts
He just played worse then Kiwi and lost. | ||
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