EPTSC2Casts.TV King of The Hill #1 Dimaga vs Kiwikaki - Page 9
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Yokoblue
Canada594 Posts
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SwampZero
Greece350 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:11 kickinhead wrote: did you see the games? Obviously, Dimaga chose to go for all-in strats very often, like the 6-pool, so I believe those are the builds he think can actually get him the win, or are you implying Dimaga plays BO's that he thinks are bad? There's no threat to an all-in build if the guy doing it is 0-3 backed against the wall. You can just 10-gate and kill him and if he doesn't 6pool, you still got a chance, and even if you lose, you go 1-3 and choose a map to finish him. That 6 pool was very misguided. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:01 kickinhead wrote: maybe Dimaga has become predictable because his playstyle is actually the only one that might get you some wins against Toss on a high skill-level. Why d'you think ppl like IdrA/Artosis (heavy macro-players) aren't in the GSL anymore, but the king of cheese/all-in's, still is (cool)? Calm down brother of the swarm! At times it may feel like we have no hope against the oppresive Protoss or the Cowardly Humans, but there are beacons of light showing everywhere we go! Remember, my fellow Cerebrate, no protoss are in the final 4, but Cool is. Keep faith, my bretheren, we shall have a golden age upon us soon. + Show Spoiler + PS: Idra lost because he got cheesed(mind duped to the extreme as well), and he didn't scout that hidden base in game 3. Keep in mind even without that he almost won, so Zerg ftw. And Artosis is a beast, but did anyone really expect him to get past ro32 at most? Dimaga did, and does, so much better when he just plays straight up macro. | ||
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SwampZero
Greece350 Posts
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Casta
Denmark234 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote: - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple.... I think the matchup is imbalanced, but watching those games it seemed like Dimaga was starting off with a defeatist attitude thinking that he could only win by doing all-in... imo the matchup is not THAT broken, there is a reason a player like cool can stand toe to toe with other top players, he tries and doesn't give up and of course is extremely skilled. Sure some matches he gets steamrolled because he is zerg, but some he win because he is creative and trying so hard to win. | ||
tosS.ita
Italy523 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:12 Yokoblue wrote: Any VODs of theses matches ? WIll they be updated on their website ? vods will be recasted and uploaded in 24/48 hours on www.youtube.com/scworldit anyway I will wrote on first topic when rdy | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
and its the 28.09, 22:00 CET where is the stream oO Edit: Just noticed that on TL it seems to be 29th how can that be if euro time should be ahead by 6 hours I'm really confused now. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:15 Casta wrote: I think the matchup is imbalanced, but watching those games it seemed like Dimaga was starting off with a defeatist attitude thinking that he could only win by doing all-in... imo the matchup is not THAT broken, there is a reason a player like cool can stand toe to toe with other top players, he tries and doesn't give up and of course is extremely skilled. Sure some matches he gets steamrolled because he is zerg, but some he win because he is creative and trying so hard to win. If you look at how Cool has won his games, it's mostly because either his opponents sucked (to the point where ppl actually thought it was match-fixing because they played so badly), or his very risky all-in builds succeeded (6-pools, baneling-bust's, roach-speedling-all-in's). I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything, but it just saddens me to see that Zerg has such a hard time playing a straight-up standard macro-game. And I do think that with the recent Ultralisk-changes, PvZ is actually THAT broken, at least in a standard macro-game. ^^' | ||
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Khalleb
Canada1909 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:21 Kleinmuuhg wrote: I'll probably sound very stupid , but it says on the schedule 28.09.10 , 21:00 CET and its the 28.09, 22:00 CET where is the stream oO Edit: Just noticed that on TL it seems to be 29th how can that be if euro time should be ahead by 6 hours I'm really confused now. first question: 22:00 is later that 21:00 so its done second question: TL is on KST | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
If he really feels like cheesy all-in builds are all he can do as Zerg then he should probably switch races. | ||
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SwampZero
Greece350 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:23 cuppatea wrote: Just checked Dimaga's game history and he played 2 ladder games after this showmatch and 6 pooled in both (beat Kas and lost to Huk). If he really feels like cheesy all-in builds are all he can do as Zerg then he should probably switch races. Hey there creepy stalker mister | ||
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CheeseGrater
United States290 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:21 kickinhead wrote: If you look at how Cool has won his games, it's mostly because either his opponents sucked (to the point where ppl actually thought it was match-fixing because they played so badly), or his very risky all-in builds succeeded (6-pools, baneling-bust's, roach-speedling-all-in's). I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything, but it just saddens me to see that Zerg has such a hard time playing a straight-up standard macro-game. And I do think that with the recent Ultralisk-changes, PvZ is actually THAT broken, at least in a standard macro-game. ^^' Didn't ultralisks just get a pretty substantial nerf? | ||
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SwampZero
Greece350 Posts
he might have lost the third one tho. | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:24 CheeseGrater wrote: Didn't ultralisks just get a pretty substantial nerf? yes, that's my point. The only Unit that was actually good VS toss in the lategame was nerfed pretty heavily. I mean: Broodlords just suck against decent Protoss-users and a Hydra/Corruptor/Roach-Army get's pwned so hard by Collossi/Sentry/Stalker, it's not even funny anymore. Ppl say Mutas are overpowered against Toss, but I don't agree with that at all: basically every early pressure that stops Zerg from getting up an expansion or any timing-push right before the Mutas get out will completely destroy this strat and even if it succeeds, it's nowhere near a guaranteed win, but still an uphill battle for the Zerg. Playing a macro-game atm against Toss is just impossible, that's why I totally understand Dimagas builds and his fast GG's when his rush-attempts failed. I'm actually surprised that he was mannered enough to "GG" after the games and even write "gratz" after the last game, cuz I (as a Zerg-player) was raging just from watching those Games | ||
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tosS.ita
Italy523 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:28 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote: is this over? yes results are + Show Spoiler + 4-0 for Kiwikaki | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
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DX_4
Germany180 Posts
Tuned in for the first match, extremely poor quality at the start. Technical difficulties came up shortly after that and I ended up staring at a black screen for the better half of 40 minutes. Gave up after that and missed pretty much the entire series apart from 5 minutes of game 1. From what I could gather from the comments it wasn't a huge loss though. Point remains, the quality / reliability of the stream was abysmal. No idea how it worked for some people, I tried different browsers and couldn't get it to show properly. | ||
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tosS.ita
Italy523 Posts
On September 29 2010 05:31 DX_4 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Not gonna bother next time as the stream was frankly unbearable. Tuned in for the first match, extremely poor quality at the start. Technical difficulties came up shortly after that and I ended up staring at a black screen for the better half of 40 minutes. Gave up after that and missed pretty much the entire series apart from 5 minutes of game 1. From what I could gather from the comments it wasn't a huge loss though. Point remains, the quality / reliability of the stream was abysmal. No idea how it worked for some people, I tried different browsers and couldn't get it to show properly. it's really strange that it worked perfectly to many ppl.. and do not work for some others.. we will try to figure it out.. my apologize.. anyway vods will be up soon and for next week we are taking a better internet connection | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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