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Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 20 2010 13:24 GMT
#2821
Cheese is all fine and good.. but....

Hyperdub did great. He did extremely well vs TLO in match one, but fuked out and lost for it.

In match 2, he had a better opening and beat TLO cleanly.

So.. WHY WOULD YOU CHEESE IN MATCH 3? They are playing for thousands of dollars, why do a all-in cheese that has a massive failure rate when you are clearly on equal skill with your opponenet?

It's like Hyperdub owes the bank 500$, and instead of working for it, he rolled the dice at a casino and won big.


I'm sorry, but when you are a skilled player vs another skilled player and you resort to luck to win instead of playing the game with your skill, it just seems highly disrespectful to both your opponent and the fans of the game.

GG hyperdub, even if you lose to Tester, at least you and Lotze showed IdrA and TLO that koreans love them some 5 minute games and that you have to scout every spot every match or you will lose.
aru
Profile Joined April 2010
183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 13:27:54
September 20 2010 13:25 GMT
#2822
b10

Cheesing is not really luck in BoX's. Cheesing is the highest level of micro in Starcraft. If TLO had better worker control/micro, he could have held if off. Hyperdub's stop shoot micro was really impressive.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
September 20 2010 13:25 GMT
#2823
haha people saying cheese is poor sportsmanship

It's like you guys never watched BW and just started following Starcr . . .

oh okay never mind lol, please continue
syldiivh
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark190 Posts
September 20 2010 13:26 GMT
#2824
He ran the scv into TLO's main before building the rax, saw the mineral patch being mined and left before he could be seen.


So if TLO placed the depot on the ramp side of the mineral line he couldnt have done this?

..
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
September 20 2010 13:26 GMT
#2825
It seems at least in this tournament so far western players are having a big issue with scouting. Do you guys think this is a common trend and was it a problem in BW as well?
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
September 20 2010 13:27 GMT
#2826
I'd really want to hear the Korean's commentator's reactions to game 1. Really want to hear some epic "AH NUUUKKKKEEEEE!"s from them.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 13:29:15
September 20 2010 13:27 GMT
#2827
On September 20 2010 22:23 syldiivh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 21:45 syldiivh wrote:
How did hyperdub know TLO's position without TLO knowing he sent out the instant SCV? I cant see the vod, but as far as i saw hyperdub pulled the SCV up just to scout then down behind natural for proxy. Does the scv out range the barracks in sight and if so isnt this build betting on that the barracks is far enough away from the ramp?

Im kinda confused by this.


Can anyone answer to this?


He could have saw the minerals and its blue halo like animation meaning that it is being mined.
bisu fanboy
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
September 20 2010 13:27 GMT
#2828
Sucks that TLO lost, but some people need to take a deep breath.

July 5 pooled then drone drilled Best in an awesome game, cheese only sucks when it succeeds versus the good guys.
Heosat
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia481 Posts
September 20 2010 13:28 GMT
#2829
On September 20 2010 22:14 Jibba wrote:
We understand that most of you are upset over TLO's loss, we truly do. As fellow fans, we also understand that part of being a fan is being overly invested and irrational when it comes to your 'guy' or the sport you're watching. The difference between being a normal fan and a fanatic is being angry/frustrated/sad/etc., and being angry/frustrated/sad/etc. and then calling up and ranting on all your local radio stations or spamming up a message board about how terrible/unfair/lame the opponent is.

Cheese is embedded in SC2, just as it is in BW and in every other sport on the planet. Be upset that your favorite player lost, but take a step back and stop raging about it publicly.


Indeed.

Plus, Dario will learn, adapt and come back next tournament with a better skill set. We've already been discussing new avenues to research.
Liquid ftw!
Horse != player. I'm from TLAF.
Twiggy123
Profile Joined September 2010
2 Posts
September 20 2010 13:28 GMT
#2830
On September 20 2010 22:24 shawabawa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 22:23 syldiivh wrote:
On September 20 2010 21:45 syldiivh wrote:
How did hyperdub know TLO's position without TLO knowing he sent out the instant SCV? I cant see the vod, but as far as i saw hyperdub pulled the SCV up just to scout then down behind natural for proxy. Does the scv out range the barracks in sight and if so isnt this build betting on that the barracks is far enough away from the ramp?

Im kinda confused by this.


Can anyone answer to this?

He ran the scv into TLO's main before building the rax, saw the mineral patch being mined and left before he could be seen.


he actually did a very tricky thing

he got in range to see just the patch of minerals without being spotted by the enemy scv, clicked on the patch of minerals, saw it was less than max, and knew someone has spawned there
that's pro cheese
notworlds
Profile Joined September 2010
1 Post
September 20 2010 13:29 GMT
#2831
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hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
September 20 2010 13:29 GMT
#2832
On September 20 2010 22:26 Duravi wrote:
It seems at least in this tournament so far western players are having a big issue with scouting. Do you guys think this is a common trend and was it a problem in BW as well?


It is the same in BW, white guys are always too predictable. Most western pros favor the macro game, and they lack flexibility.
Ashok
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia339 Posts
September 20 2010 13:30 GMT
#2833
GG wp TLO and Hyperdub
syldiivh
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark190 Posts
September 20 2010 13:30 GMT
#2834
He didnt know TLO position, as you can see even after he scouted TLO's position first go, he had to wait a considerable amount of time before he had 150 for his first rax.

So i'm assuming that even if he had scouted TLO last, he would have been able to plant the rax down within the timing window.


Are you saying he didnt know his position when he laid the rax? My point was the for him to scout with small adjustment to TLO's bulding placement he would see the early (proxy intented scout).
..
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
September 20 2010 13:30 GMT
#2835
In the TvT series before this one though both players sent earlier scouts and checked for any kind of possible cheese. I am sure the fact DAVIT had cheesed consistantly in his earlier rounds was a factor but it seemed like if TLO had sent an earlier scout (even in the same path as his eventually took) he would have had a better chance at stopping this.
shawabawa
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom417 Posts
September 20 2010 13:31 GMT
#2836
On September 20 2010 22:26 syldiivh wrote:
Show nested quote +
He ran the scv into TLO's main before building the rax, saw the mineral patch being mined and left before he could be seen.


So if TLO placed the depot on the ramp side of the mineral line he couldnt have done this?


He sent the SCV at 7, got to his base long before depot was up.
ssksinca
Profile Joined September 2010
1 Post
September 20 2010 13:32 GMT
#2837
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byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
September 20 2010 13:32 GMT
#2838
hyperdub with boxer style proxy! (for the guys that actually remember that one Boxer vs iloveoov match)
(>°_°)>
shawabawa
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom417 Posts
September 20 2010 13:33 GMT
#2839
On September 20 2010 22:28 Twiggy123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2010 22:24 shawabawa wrote:
On September 20 2010 22:23 syldiivh wrote:
On September 20 2010 21:45 syldiivh wrote:
How did hyperdub know TLO's position without TLO knowing he sent out the instant SCV? I cant see the vod, but as far as i saw hyperdub pulled the SCV up just to scout then down behind natural for proxy. Does the scv out range the barracks in sight and if so isnt this build betting on that the barracks is far enough away from the ramp?

Im kinda confused by this.


Can anyone answer to this?

He ran the scv into TLO's main before building the rax, saw the mineral patch being mined and left before he could be seen.


he actually did a very tricky thing

he got in range to see just the patch of minerals without being spotted by the enemy scv, clicked on the patch of minerals, saw it was less than max, and knew someone has spawned there
that's pro cheese

You don't need to do that, you can see the minerals glowing while they're mined without being in range of the SCV's sight, if you don't see it glowing then you can click to see if it has been mined
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
September 20 2010 13:33 GMT
#2840
Thankyou to whoever reopened the thread.

I think there's two things that really need pointing out here.

1) TLO used this exact same cheese against Dimaga in the finals of a tournament last week.

+ Show Spoiler +

2) If TLO had used the same scouting pattern as Clide, he would be in the Ro16 right now.
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