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bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
September 20 2010 13:44 GMT
#2861
TLO interview is up on Gomtv.net!
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
Rudiment
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 13:47:36
September 20 2010 13:46 GMT
#2862
Does this make Check the only zerg left?

e: nvm, there's one other
Bleb
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia278 Posts
September 20 2010 13:46 GMT
#2863
On September 20 2010 22:44 bRuTaL!! wrote:
TLO interview is up on Gomtv.net!

now if only gomtv was up as well : )
I've been refreshing it last 5 mins : )
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
September 20 2010 13:47 GMT
#2864
On September 20 2010 22:46 Rudiment wrote:
Does this make Check the only zerg left?

Cool is left too.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 13:50:40
September 20 2010 13:49 GMT
#2865
The less people cheese (and/or the better they become at defending it) the more the game moves towards economy centered openings. Cheese, quite simply put, keeps people honest. The game would quickly become boring if there was no risk of anyone ever cheesing.
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qtpie
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada16 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 13:52:04
September 20 2010 13:50 GMT
#2866
i actually don't particularly support TLO or hate him, but in the first game, the back and forth between their lines got me excited and interested in what might happen next as the slightest shift in balance will allow the other player to push foward, as well as action happening on multiple fronts meaning that both players must micro well, and i find their ability to continuously macro while having nonstop tiny engagements to be very impressive.

the third game was kind of a let down for me, not because TLO lost, but because the method by which he lost.

A proxy 7 rax is the kind of cheese I believe to be one decided at the toss of a coin. Had it been scouted i am sure it could've been stopped by an able player.

Of course, not checking the mineral line is tlo's own fault and scouting the position last is lucky for dub, but from an observer's point of view that 7 rax build requires little to no skill.

From a strategy point of view, a strategy that relies on your opponent doing something wrong and having perfect luck in random things such as spawning position or how the enemy scouts is, in my opinion, not a good or viable strategy.

As a person who watches these matches for the interesting plays, this kind of strategic execution is some what of a disappointment.

Considering how able both players were, there was no macro going on in the third game, there was no micro (balled up marine that isn't moving doesn't take that much microing I don't think), no such thing as unit composition, and he wasn't even brave enough to pull all SCVs in for a ballsy all in so the manliness factor doesn't come into play either.

All points considered I don't see why that particular game can be considered well played.

[edit] I don't consider all cheeses to require no skill, it's just that a few marines balled up standing there killing stuff isn't too particularly skill intensive...
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 20 2010 13:51 GMT
#2867
It's always the same cheese though =(

6pool, proxy hatch (so weak people never use it..), 2 gate, 2 proxy barracks, void rush
syldiivh
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark190 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 13:53:58
September 20 2010 13:51 GMT
#2868
And no, it isn't a 25% success rate proxy, well it would be more reasonable to call it 33%, but it ain't that either. Hyperdub would adjust his build depending on how fast he scout's TLO.


True, my point was just that TLO made him self vuln to this all in. Different depot placement would have helped him alot at the cost of a small risk of loosing it to siege later? Dunno imo thats a fair trade to not instant loose to this all in.

edit: also if depot close to ramp + cross scout. Would almost eliminate any proxy build on tvt meta.
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st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-20 13:53:16
September 20 2010 13:52 GMT
#2869
A better scouting pattern and would have been a win you should expect everything its not like none ever did that before.

Tlo did cheese so many times in other games - do u seriously forget the 2 marine - marauder - hellion pushes ?

Or the mass helions allins vs zergs or reaper harass vs zerg and so on ? He even pull the 2 proxy raks in dimaga - gimme a break is a valid strat.

Im european as well but koreans are so much better in sc2 atm.

also its not like david vs nexgenius - hyper won fair and square in macro game and was better in game 1 for he most part.

Also cheese vs terran isnt the same like cheese vs a zerg player now is it ? ;p
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9018 Posts
September 20 2010 13:54 GMT
#2870
imagine if TLO was the cheeser instead of hyperduck.
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
September 20 2010 13:56 GMT
#2871
On September 20 2010 22:54 Garnet wrote:
imagine if TLO was the cheeser instead of hyperduck.



Creative ? ;p


no doubht hell be back as better player he didnt even have time to practise
corpsepose
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1678 Posts
September 20 2010 13:57 GMT
#2872
On September 20 2010 22:54 Garnet wrote:
imagine if TLO was the cheeser instead of hyperduck.


i like 'hypernub' better, as suggested by a guy on the restream i was watching
http://www.twitch.tv/corpsep0se
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
September 20 2010 13:58 GMT
#2873
thats the way it goes - gz to hyperdub - in my opinion TLO lost the series in the 2nd game - he played a little bit TOO cutsy like and wasted a little to much units every 1-2 minutes so at the end hyperdub just had more stuff


teh 3rd game is like normale cheese game - high risk high reward - it could have gone both ways - unfortunately TLO scouted the wrong direction 1st - and lost because of that
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Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
September 20 2010 13:59 GMT
#2874
I think people who call cheese unfair; or bash player's ability because he uses cheese should read this article.

Playing to Win Part 1 by Sirlin
Playing to Win Part 2 by Sirlin

In a tournament like this, playing to win should always be a top priority of every player (or else why being a pro?) If you think cheesing would help you win easier, then just do it. It's not only for the winning sake, but it's for improving their own skill (at least micro) and judgment (should I pull cheese off this game). As long as it abide the rule, it's perfectly fine.
Without love, we can't see anything. Without love, the truth can't be seen. - Umineko no Naku Koro Ni
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
September 20 2010 14:00 GMT
#2875
Aw, just came back from class to hear the results. Sucks for TLO fans, and SC2 fans in general, but there's a GSL every month so we'll be seeing TLO again very soon.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 20 2010 14:01 GMT
#2876
Contracting chicken pox and sneezing all over your opponent isn't against the rules is it? xD
n3gative
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada369 Posts
September 20 2010 14:05 GMT
#2877
so much crying here. TLO lost fair and square.

It was an entertaining series, congrats to Hyperdub.
nasze_zrodlo
Profile Joined February 2010
Cape Verde111 Posts
September 20 2010 14:06 GMT
#2878
We love you Hyperdub. You proved that korean C teamer is much better than the best foreign pro :D
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shawabawa
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom417 Posts
September 20 2010 14:08 GMT
#2879
Can someone transcript the TLO interview? Video isn't working for me

http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/gomcam/1119
KuroN3ko
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia154 Posts
September 20 2010 14:08 GMT
#2880
TLO: "I opted for nukes cause I was fucking desperate." Sums up the match in a nutshell :p, hyperdub played well, TLO played well, the better player on that day won. Congrats to all the winners, and for those in defeat.. theres always the next GSL
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