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Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
September 04 2010 23:44 GMT
#261
On September 05 2010 08:41 Alou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:33 Grimjim wrote:
We'll all see in three months when no one can remember Drewbie's name. Balance will do that to a lot of these new up and coming Terran 'pros'.

gg.


Drewbie actually wins tournaments, so I doubt people will forget about him anytime soon.


Drewbie is gonna be called newbie in a few months.
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
September 04 2010 23:44 GMT
#262
On September 05 2010 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
Oh no, Zerglings will be taking less splash damage. What a huge nerf....

Come on it won't really change anything.


It won't change anything? The splash damage that tanks get? The non cliff easy camping? The put 2 tanks behind army and let it all disappear?

Wouldn't all of these easy laid back defense style change?
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
September 04 2010 23:45 GMT
#263
On September 05 2010 08:35 drewbie.root wrote:
lol, when i qualified for the IEM group stage, i beat artosis in the tournament, and he flaaaaaamed me then too, and also did the exact same build ( muta ling baneling ). I even beat him in the beta when zerg was the best race T_T. Also he was harassing me non-stop to play 1 hour before the match was supposed to start ( I would have played early but admins wouldn't let us ). So of course I did get a little bit tired of his shit.

My comment was not BM, I was giving him some constructive criticism, every other zerg in the world makes a hive when they have 3+ bases, unlike artosis who just continued to mass mutas and suicides them vs +3 rines and +2 thors in both games.


other than artosis' mistakes do you think terran is stronger?
Its grack
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
September 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#264
aw pitting Canadians against each other
Hope Kiwi and Huk both make it out.
go toss!
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#265
On September 05 2010 08:44 Kage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:41 Shikyo wrote:
Oh no, Zerglings will be taking less splash damage. What a huge nerf....

Come on it won't really change anything.


It won't change anything? The splash damage that tanks get? The non cliff easy camping? The put 2 tanks behind army and let it all disappear?

Wouldn't all of these easy laid back defense style change?

As I said, the only change is splash damage to Zerglings. They still die to one hit and most T's get weapon upgrades for tanks anyway.

It won't change essentially anything unless Hydras become viable, but I really, really don't see that happening.

Why couldn't you do those exact same things vs Zerg after the patch? The only thing that changes is the splash damage tanks deal to Zerglings. Everything else is the same. .
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Zakka
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands762 Posts
September 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#266
i want to see a replay of the artosis vs drewbie games. Love to see rage.
Amsterdam
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
September 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#267
On September 05 2010 08:41 GenoZStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:39 Lucius2 wrote:
when exactly was zerg the best race in the beta!?

Errr you don't remember when mass roach > all?


Um no. Mass roach was indeed strong in >LATE GAME< the problem here is that Zerg doesen't make it to >LATE GAME< most of their games, due to their extremely weak early game and early-mid game. (Numerous factors play to this.)

Zerg was never ''strong'', T and P just learned how to abuse their strenghts better against Zerg, that's all. Dimaga may have made Zerg look strong, but he always seemed one step ahead of everyone else and is an extremely skilled player. (Like IEM EU showed.)

Anyways, yeah, lack of Zergs is getting sad. =[] But what can you do?

Anyways, tuned in most of the games, been enjoying most of the games, Machine played exceptionally well.
dave22222
Profile Joined August 2010
20 Posts
September 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#268
Artosis is terrible and should complain about his own lack of skill.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
September 04 2010 23:47 GMT
#269
Also, here's a great idea that would make drops on 3 different fronts simultaneously less ridiculous... bring back scourge? No fucking clue why they were removed in the first place and they take some focus to use properly anyways.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 04 2010 23:49 GMT
#270
On September 05 2010 08:47 NonFactor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:41 GenoZStriker wrote:
On September 05 2010 08:39 Lucius2 wrote:
when exactly was zerg the best race in the beta!?

Errr you don't remember when mass roach > all?


Um no. Mass roach was indeed strong in >LATE GAME< the problem here is that Zerg doesen't make it to >LATE GAME< most of their games, due to their extremely weak early game and early-mid game. (Numerous factors play to this.)

Zerg was never ''strong'', T and P just learned how to abuse their strenghts better against Zerg, that's all. Dimaga may have made Zerg look strong, but he always seemed one step ahead of everyone else and is an extremely skilled player. (Like IEM EU showed.)

Anyways, yeah, lack of Zergs is getting sad. =[] But what can you do?

Anyways, tuned in most of the games, been enjoying most of the games, Machine played exceptionally well.

Yep, changing the Roach supply to 1 was a very critical mistake. Back then, Zerg was the best race in the endgame while sucking at all points before(how it should be). Now Zerg is merely able to compete in the lategame after being completely useless for the first 10-15 minutes. It really was a bad change.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
September 04 2010 23:50 GMT
#271
On September 05 2010 08:47 dave22222 wrote:
Artosis is terrible and should complain about his own lack of skill.


What would you have done differently? What is your preferred strat against Terran?
How do you cover 4 marauder drops simultaneously?
Please enlighten us.
I cant stop lactating
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 04 2010 23:50 GMT
#272
On September 05 2010 08:34 Zelniq wrote:
its np just wait for hots and all is good


I don't know if I can keep my sanity that long. Zelniq save us from this terrible time.
QueueQueue
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada1000 Posts
September 04 2010 23:50 GMT
#273
Clearly guys, it is toss that is imba.

Siffer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States467 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-04 23:58:28
September 04 2010 23:52 GMT
#274
While it is absolutely hilarious to see Artosis rage out of game via avenues like state of the game podcast, it is completely terrible to see him rage in a tournament game like this. He is a fucking GOM employee now. Fucker has to man up and say GL HF followed by silence until GG.

Learn some manners, artosis.

Drewbie is 100% correct in talking back. He gets thrashed on by IdrA and Artosis all the time. I didn't see the games, but judging from reading this thread, Artosis played like shit.


P.S. I am a zerg player
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
September 04 2010 23:52 GMT
#275
On September 05 2010 08:50 QueueQueue wrote:
Clearly guys, it is toss that is imba.


Artosis said that most Koreans feel P has an advantage in PvT.

I have no idea what your point is.
I cant stop lactating
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-04 23:53:53
September 04 2010 23:52 GMT
#276
On September 05 2010 08:49 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:47 NonFactor wrote:
On September 05 2010 08:41 GenoZStriker wrote:
On September 05 2010 08:39 Lucius2 wrote:
when exactly was zerg the best race in the beta!?

Errr you don't remember when mass roach > all?


Um no. Mass roach was indeed strong in >LATE GAME< the problem here is that Zerg doesen't make it to >LATE GAME< most of their games, due to their extremely weak early game and early-mid game. (Numerous factors play to this.)

Zerg was never ''strong'', T and P just learned how to abuse their strenghts better against Zerg, that's all. Dimaga may have made Zerg look strong, but he always seemed one step ahead of everyone else and is an extremely skilled player. (Like IEM EU showed.)

Anyways, yeah, lack of Zergs is getting sad. =[] But what can you do?

Anyways, tuned in most of the games, been enjoying most of the games, Machine played exceptionally well.

Yep, changing the Roach supply to 1 was a very critical mistake. Back then, Zerg was the best race in the endgame while sucking at all points before(how it should be). Now Zerg is merely able to compete in the lategame after being completely useless for the first 10-15 minutes. It really was a bad change.


Back then all Zerg players did all game long was mass roaches.

It was a very one-dimensional match-up, so they changed it. I still remember the massive bitching that ensued when it happened.

Trust me, there was a period in which the Zerg and Terran positions were reversed balance-wise, and it was Zerg players who had to deal with the accusation that they were playing the ezmode race that can win without doing anything other than a-move.
gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
September 04 2010 23:53 GMT
#277
I was looking forward to watching IdrA play. Sucks that he was a no show. Can't blame him though.

He'll make a ton more money playing in the monthly GSL tournaments than anything he'd make playing in the IEM.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
September 04 2010 23:53 GMT
#278
On September 05 2010 08:35 drewbie.root wrote:
lol, when i qualified for the IEM group stage, i beat artosis in the tournament, and he flaaaaaamed me then too, and also did the exact same build ( muta ling baneling ). I even beat him in the beta when zerg was the best race T_T. Also he was harassing me non-stop to play 1 hour before the match was supposed to start ( I would have played early but admins wouldn't let us ). So of course I did get a little bit tired of his shit.

My comment was not BM, I was giving him some constructive criticism, every other zerg in the world makes a hive when they have 3+ bases, unlike artosis who just continued to mass mutas and suicides them vs +3 rines and +2 thors in both games.


Nothing would have been different if he had teched. You where really marauder heavy so ultras wouldnt have made a difference. As for other options, only a few good fungal growths would been a good option, but nothing that zerg has can save those hatch snipes you where doing. And thats what made you win, not your bad army controll.
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
September 04 2010 23:56 GMT
#279
Hate the game not the players. What they did was justified at that point of time. But this matchup needs fixing clearly.
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
September 05 2010 00:01 GMT
#280
On September 05 2010 08:49 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 08:47 NonFactor wrote:
On September 05 2010 08:41 GenoZStriker wrote:
On September 05 2010 08:39 Lucius2 wrote:
when exactly was zerg the best race in the beta!?

Errr you don't remember when mass roach > all?


Um no. Mass roach was indeed strong in >LATE GAME< the problem here is that Zerg doesen't make it to >LATE GAME< most of their games, due to their extremely weak early game and early-mid game. (Numerous factors play to this.)

Zerg was never ''strong'', T and P just learned how to abuse their strenghts better against Zerg, that's all. Dimaga may have made Zerg look strong, but he always seemed one step ahead of everyone else and is an extremely skilled player. (Like IEM EU showed.)

Anyways, yeah, lack of Zergs is getting sad. =[] But what can you do?

Anyways, tuned in most of the games, been enjoying most of the games, Machine played exceptionally well.

Yep, changing the Roach supply to 1 was a very critical mistake. Back then, Zerg was the best race in the endgame while sucking at all points before(how it should be). Now Zerg is merely able to compete in the lategame after being completely useless for the first 10-15 minutes. It really was a bad change.

i think its ridiculous how when zerg was the strongest race and terrans/protoss refused to do anything creative(apart from a few good seeds like Jinro with his reaper into ghost opening which as effective as it was for some reason everyone else refused to implement) and all that happened was a million patches that nerfed zerg over the course of a few months. Now zerg is told to "use nydus" for half a year and no end to this insanity is in sight.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
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