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KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
August 28 2010 04:14 GMT
#3561
Gretorp 2-1 everytime, I think.
@KawaiiRiceLighT
Konsume
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada466 Posts
August 28 2010 04:14 GMT
#3562
I'm just GLAD SLush made it
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
PulseSUI
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland305 Posts
August 28 2010 04:15 GMT
#3563

you must have missed the horrible MLG cast with the two halo players.


the Knifer-Rifle joke was good thought. :/
Grantler
Profile Joined August 2010
United States228 Posts
August 28 2010 04:15 GMT
#3564
On August 28 2010 13:12 Raji wrote:
High level arena takes at least as much skill as Sc2. Random wow pvp takes as much skill as dominating the bronze league does. I think your miking the 2 up.


This is a face palm.
My brother plays this so called competitive WoW, and apparently he is pretty good (Best on his server or something), however, every time I walk into his room he just mashes the same 3 buttons the entire time. Seems like a lot of skill is involved.
Phiggot03
Profile Joined December 2009
Vietnam132 Posts
August 28 2010 04:15 GMT
#3565
I was a 2600 mage on BG9, please don't compare wow to sc2. wow is a joke of a game.
CrazyCow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States308 Posts
August 28 2010 04:15 GMT
#3566
People trashing WoW skill level and Nadagast have no idea what they're talking about and have obviously never played or seen top level PvP in an MMORPG.
Iggyhopper
Profile Joined July 2010
United States259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:17:21
August 28 2010 04:16 GMT
#3567
On August 28 2010 13:07 Lunares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:04 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 12:57 Mabius wrote:
all of you guys talking crap about masq need to shutup, I bet half of you would not even win 1 game at MLG, yet you criticize his play.

He got to round 3 and still did pretty good. While you pros are at home sitting in your ivory towers.

Haters.
What, we can't criticize his bad play?

Masq is horrible. How can you fail at the easiest Terran opener, against ZERG!?

Also, when his build got interrupted, guess what? WHAT CAN I DOOOOOOO?!?!?


You obviously have no idea what you are talking about if you call 5rax reaper the easiest terran opening. reactor hellions is sooo much easier to do, not counting any of the 3 rax pushes or marine tank expand.

5 rax reaper, done with good micro AND macro is one of the harder terran openings to pull off against a good zerg, much less one of Slush's caliber.
Yeah, 5rax reaper is eh, since you have to check 5 buildings and micro effectively. I'm specifically talking about the game where he failed in the first minute of the game. He gets his tech lab delayed and still puts a bunker up with a measly marine in it? Not even I would do that. He left his base completely undefended, what kind of terran does that?

My point is, he wouldn't be able to do a hellion because he's so far into the early game rush scene that he just can't go into mid or late. He's horrible.

If 5rax reaper is so hard, how did he get so far? All it takes is practice, OF 1 BO!
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 28 2010 04:16 GMT
#3568
On August 28 2010 13:14 KawaiiRice wrote:
Gretorp 2-1 everytime, I think.


I'm going to go by your word, because I'm so tired. :<
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Juaks
Profile Joined June 2010
United States384 Posts
August 28 2010 04:16 GMT
#3569
On August 28 2010 13:07 HeaveNTiMe wrote:
One of the best Live Casts and Streams I have watched in a very long time. Props to MLG and all commentators, my 5 hours well spent. Off to get some beef jerky and some old spice.


Totally agree. This event is epic. You made me laugh very hard on last sentence. Don' t forget your hot pockets.
Foomnz
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand36 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:23:55
August 28 2010 04:16 GMT
#3570
I just don't get how Day9 can look at the camera and say stuff like

"I love these creative rush infester plays!"
"zerg players should explore these creative play options!"

while the Zerg player who did it just got curb stomped in 15 mins by a Terran with 3 Thors
demolishing his base like paper....lol

*Edit to say* really did enjoy the matches and the casting form JP & Day9 and Huskey &HD tho,
just feel that sometimes the effort to remain impartial can make the commentary seem a little......
....obtuse.

*Cheif Wiggam voice*..."nothing to see here, nothin to see.....


[Agony]x90
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States853 Posts
August 28 2010 04:17 GMT
#3571
On August 28 2010 13:16 Brad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:14 KawaiiRice wrote:
Gretorp 2-1 everytime, I think.


I'm going to go by your word, because I'm so tired. :<


Same here. You best be right Kawaii!
JF dodger since 2009
Fodder03
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada142 Posts
August 28 2010 04:17 GMT
#3572
On August 28 2010 13:15 Phiggot03 wrote:
I was a 2600 mage on BG9, please don't compare wow to sc2. wow is a joke of a game.


2600 =/= high end arena.
alexanderzero
Profile Joined June 2008
United States659 Posts
August 28 2010 04:17 GMT
#3573
It's dumb to say SC2 takes more or less skill than WoW does. The amount of skill required to play a game professionally depends almost entirely on the skill of other players. Therefore basically any competitive game has the potential to be the hardest game ever to play professionally.

The only reason Brood War takes more skill than other games is because of it's popularity. Any game that can reward players with hundreds of thousands of dollars a year is going to be fucking hard to play.
I am a tournament organizazer.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
August 28 2010 04:17 GMT
#3574
Yay, Gretorp makes it out of the loser's bracket!
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
August 28 2010 04:17 GMT
#3575
On August 28 2010 13:12 Raji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:10 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:04 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:03 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:00 Musoeun wrote:
On August 28 2010 12:59 keV. wrote:
If a wow player wins SC2, TL will collapse upon itself.


No we'll just get 300 threads saying "See, SC2 really doesn't take skill MBS automine huge group select dumb maps yaddayaddayadda BW RULES".

Or maybe that's what you meant.


Well i guess ill make the argument in this thread before that happens. High level WoW arena takes and insane amount of skill. A lot of which translates into high apm and the ability think very dynamically.


This.

Despite the imbalances in WoW, PvP Arena is actually pretty damn hard. TL people have this elitist attitude which kind of derives from the BW days, but realistically there are many games nowadays which require people to be just as on top of their game as SC 2, at least in terms of unit control and APM.



WoW pvp is still horrible because the game wasnt built for it and has to cater to two different crowds of people. It will never take as much skill as SC 2.


High level arena takes at least as much skill as Sc2. Random wow pvp takes as much skill as dominating the bronze league does. I think your miking the 2 up.



What makes wow pvp challenging is not the same than what makes sc2 challenging, can't really say it requires the same skill when the gameplay is entirely different

I'm not going to bash nadagast though, it's not a crazy idea to be good at two different games.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
August 28 2010 04:17 GMT
#3576
On August 28 2010 13:16 Foomnz wrote:
I just don't get how Day9 can look at the camera and say stuff like

"I love these creative rush infester plays!"
"zerg players should explore these creative play options!"

while the Zerg player who did it just got curb stomped in 15 mins by a Terran with 3 Thors
demolishing his base like paper....lol




If Catz didn't try to wait for 150 energy he could have taken out 20-30 scv's with 2 fungal growths (1 from each infestor) they were so clumped up before he maynarded them.
Brood War forever!
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 28 2010 04:18 GMT
#3577
On August 28 2010 13:15 CrazyCow wrote:
People trashing WoW skill level and Nadagast have no idea what they're talking about and have obviously never played or seen top level PvP in an MMORPG.


Yeah, I get the feeling it's just like 600 Diamond players going "SC 2 is ezmode. I win with 4 gate all-ins every game NP."

Top-level WoW Arena has something that SC 2 definitely does not have - team work. This alone makes it a very different and yet exceedingly challenging game in many respects.
Sputty
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada161 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:20:01
August 28 2010 04:18 GMT
#3578
On August 28 2010 13:15 Phiggot03 wrote:
I was a 2600 mage on BG9, please don't compare wow to sc2. wow is a joke of a game.

Yep, I was around that level as well, it's terrible. So much is simply based on being the right composition to beat the largest percentage of opposing teams and so much of it feels out of your control, whether its gear or simply luck based around numbers, critical hits etc
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:21:11
August 28 2010 04:18 GMT
#3579
On August 28 2010 13:17 alexanderzero wrote:
It's dumb to say SC2 takes more or less skill than WoW does. The amount of skill required to play a game professionally depends almost entirely on the skill of other players. Therefore basically any competitive game has the potential to be the hardest game ever to play professionally.

The only reason Brood War takes more skill than other games is because of it's popularity. Any game that can reward players with hundreds of thousands of dollars a year is going to be fucking hard to play.

I kinda understand what you're saying, but all games arent created equal and cant be compared in that sense. WoW is waaay too much about compositions that just steamroll everything else and almost force the same match up to occur over and over because its such a min/max game. Every patch in SC 2 will be to balance the online component pvp and it was build from the ground up to support that, WoW wasnt.
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
August 28 2010 04:18 GMT
#3580
day9 is an idiot when it comes to zerg. "play creative!" and proceeds to get rolled
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