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Pezo
England156 Posts
Pezo, always good to start your first sentence of your first post, to label anyone who might disagree with you as a 'fanboy'. Ad-hominem is a very good skill to have. People can disagree with me all they want, i simple put that because im not going to get in a stupid argument about it or about him and the ESL...because thats a different kettle of fish | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On August 16 2010 20:30 Pezo wrote: I don't want to get into an argument with Idra fanboys or talk about this situation with him and the ESL. The one thing i still don't understand about this, is why so many people like this kid. Hes one of the most arrogant, disrepectful and whiniest person ive every seen. Out of all the comments to come out of last night. The one that stood out the most for me was something on the lines of " Im there biggest draw". Which bascially means he thinks he can do whatever he likes for this reason. Whether this is true or not, this type of comment only backs up the comments made about him. I watch SC streams like many other people, to watch some good SC. Regardless of whether big headed Idra is playing or any other person in fact. Also one common theme ive seen from watching a lot of SC tournaments recently is that organisation isn't there greatest strength and definetly needs to be improve. But most of the gamers who take part in them of course don't seem to be happy about it, but just get on with them. Idra however being the Mighty Idra he is, can't seem to do so. If the kid put as much effort into his whining than he did into SC play he'd be as famous and as good as he thinks he actually is. If Idra just grew up, played the game and showed us how well he can play. While keeping his mouth shut. Id have no complaints and wouldn't be posting this right now, but this is without a doubt not going to happen and people like him need to learn some respect and act there age. He actually seems pretty chill outside of the game. He definitely has an ego, but that will be put in check when he starts to lose. Its really hard to not get an ego when you perform well at a high level. | ||
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CheAse
Canada919 Posts
I've never laughed so hard, biggerT, you are my fucking hero. | ||
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kar1181
United Kingdom515 Posts
He actually seems pretty chill outside of the game. He definitely has an ego, but that will be put in check when he starts to lose. Its really hard to not get an ego when you perform well at a high level. I think if you listen to his comments about who is greatest at this game, he is quite level headed. He definitely has a low opinion of all-in player though. That is his prerogative. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Provokes players and take great pleasure in seeing them punished Cheats on MSN with players he prefers Lies and takes credit for tournaments he does not operate Does everything in his power to have other casters removed from games to hoard viewers (where is the community spirit?) I don't think there has been a single tournament where this guy has not caused trouble thinking he's above the players themselves let alone other casters who are usually significantly better than him, with higher resolution streams that don't lag to shit. Get rid of this clown | ||
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
On August 16 2010 16:02 BigT wrote: I'm explaining myself after... i explicitly said during my cast that i was kidding WHILE i was talking with him. he even said it didnt effect anything... So calm down man, no need to insult me! How about you stop the damage control and start having some respect for the players and the other casters from now on? | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On August 16 2010 20:16 robertdinh wrote: Yes, yes I am. Are you really trying to compare tennis with the unstable esport market of america and europe? On August 16 2010 20:16 robertdinh wrote: Irrelevant information.Tennis is a solidified sport with a stable professional scene. Esports in america and europe are based off of hyped up big name titles that come and go. Both sports judge success by viewers. McEnroe final was most watched ever, any game with Idra gets massively more views that anything else. On August 16 2010 20:16 robertdinh wrote: If you want to solidify esports it can not have a negative connotation to it, and it can not be unprofessional. I agree with you. That's why the ESL needs to get it's act together. The tournament acts professional by being consistent, following it's own rules and using casters that act in the interest of fairness. The players act professional by playing professionally. If they break a rule well then they are punished within the rules. How a player acts outside of the games is just their personality and personality, whether you judge it good or bad, is very important in sport. People follow their favourite players, they follow the drama, they follow the wins and the losses. This is what makes sport flourish heroes and villains. We have the heroes and villains, we have the professional players; what we need now is entertaining games and professional, well run tournaments. | ||
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scottyyy
United Kingdom796 Posts
On August 16 2010 21:12 floor exercise wrote: The real question is why does ESL give "official" caster designation to a person who: Provokes players and take great pleasure in seeing them punished Cheats on MSN with players he prefers Lies and takes credit for tournaments he does not operate Does everything in his power to have other casters removed from games to hoard viewers (where is the community spirit?) I don't think there has been a single tournament where this guy has not caused trouble thinking he's above the players themselves let alone other casters who are usually significantly better than him, with higher resolution streams that don't lag to shit. Get rid of this clown Completely agree. This whole thing could have been avoided if BigT simply respected Idra's wishes to not be casted. Instead, his false sense of importance lead him to cry to the admins who then gave Idra 2 penalty points. He could have easily done what Puremiss did and get the replay from Idra later and cast it some other time to please the viewers. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
Say what you want to say, but put a smiley and the end of it, that way when you're called on it you can just say you were "kidding". | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On August 16 2010 21:52 Sfydjklm wrote: Wait, what happened, summary please^^ BigT wants to cover idra's games in the 3rd esl qualifier, idra doesn't want bigt shoutcasting, idra is very difficult and rude when bigt tries to cast. BigT says idra is being a dick, idra becomes even more difficult and rude because of what BigT said, Beef a tourney admin apparently tells idra he has to let bigt cast, idra thinking he is larger than life rejects what the admin says and is verbally combative with beef. Power struggle ensues.... eventually idra realizes he can not defy the admin, bigt casts. At the start of every game idra says some other shoutcaster is way better than BigT. Later on ESL realizes the brackets messed up and idra must replay a corrected match, idra unhappy with the situation can not control his temper and gets verbally combative again.... ESL decides to disqualify/ban him for previous behavior in other qualifiers building up to this qualifer. (Basically they felt they had put up with his insults and attitude for long enough and it was time to take action) Drama ensues on TL and irc. ESL feeling the backlash lacks the courage of their convictions and reverses the ban. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 16 2010 21:52 Sfydjklm wrote: Wait, what happened, summary please^^ brief summary: - Idra didn't want BigT casting because of lag (completely understandable playing from Korea) - BigT complains to admins claiming Idra is being bm, ESL gives idra a warning and some penalty points, BigT brags about getting Idra punished - BiggerT steps onto the scene, completely outshining BigT in every way, as one would expect from a T that is bigger - Idra plays StrifeCro and 2-0s with caster in game, after the game the player StrifeCro was supposed to play in the prior round complained about an unfair walk over, and they want Idra to replay his game - Idra says he will after eating but they are fucking idiots for such a big screw up and the way they handled it - ESL decides to ban Idra for their own screw up, citing past BM as the reason - BigT excitedly informs people on irc how Idra is banned, he seems very pleased - This thread explodes making fun of ESL, they reneg and BigT pretends like he didn't do anything | ||
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Zingerac
United States138 Posts
On August 16 2010 20:37 Kantutan wrote: Hah, can't believe that didn't come to mind. I also find it kind of amusing that 99% of the people defending the ESL side have less than 100 posts. Most of them have probably found TL through HD or Husky and can't get past the fact that every time they cast a game with IdrA in it they talk about how BM he is or how he "never ever" gg's at the end of matches. And fail to see that although he may or may not be a dick he is one of the most mechanically sound players in the world. So they get it stuck in their heads that hes a bad guy and when a situation like this comes up they don't read about everything and just see that he BM'ed thus he got got banned. IdrA has to be in the wrong cause hes BM and anyone who is against him is right because he is IdrA and manners manners manners.When its apparent to anyone at all who has read the entire thread how bullshit the ban was (since its been lifted). Edit: to make it less wally | ||
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
On August 16 2010 21:59 seiferoth10 wrote: And the moral of the story is: Say what you want to say, but put a smiley and the end of it, that way when you're called on it you can just say you were "kidding". You forgot the smile  | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On August 16 2010 22:01 Zingerac wrote: Most of them have probably found TL through HD or Husky and can't get past the fact that every time they cast a game with IdrA in it they talk about how BM he is or how he "never ever" gg's at the end of matches, and fail to see that although he may or may not be a dick he is one of the most mechanically sound players in the world. So they get it stuck in their heads that hes a bad guy and when a situation like this comes up they don't read about everything and just see that he BM'ed thus he got got banned. IdrA has to be in the wrong cause hes BM and anyone who is against him is right because he is IdrA and manners manners manners.When its apparent to anyone at all who has read the entire thread how bullshit the ban was (since its been lifted). If ESL operated properly he would have been banned swiftly and it would not be reversed. No professional league lets the players constantly just verbally attack the admins. They didn't lift the ban because it was unjustified, they lifted it because of the fallout and they care more about how their league is perceived. Unfortunately by lifting the ban they just make ESL look more unstable and poorly run. | ||
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Zingerac
United States138 Posts
On August 16 2010 22:02 robertdinh wrote: If ESL operated properly he would have been banned swiftly and it would not be reversed. No professional league lets the players constantly just verbally attack the admins. But this incarnation of the ESL isn't professional enough. Its obviously being run by a bunch of people with their heads up their asses and most of the admin hate came after he was banned for no reason | ||
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kar1181
United Kingdom515 Posts
On August 16 2010 21:59 seiferoth10 wrote: And the moral of the story is: Say what you want to say, but put a smiley and the end of it, that way when you're called on it you can just say you were "kidding". Unless you're foolish enough to gloat about it on IRC before admitting to 'kidding'. | ||
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scottyyy
United Kingdom796 Posts
On August 16 2010 22:02 robertdinh wrote: If ESL operated properly he would have been banned swiftly and it would not be reversed. No professional league lets the players constantly just verbally attack the admins. They didn't lift the ban because it was unjustified, they lifted it because of the fallout and they care more about how their league is perceived. Unfortunately by lifting the ban they just make ESL look more unstable and poorly run. The organisation deserves respect from Idra once they pay him the prize money they owe him. He has no reason to respect them. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On August 16 2010 22:04 Zingerac wrote: But this incarnation of the ESL isn't professional enough. Its obviously being run by a bunch of people with their heads up their asses and most of the admin hate came after he was banned for no reason He wasn't banned for no reason, i think this is the part you don't understand. He has been giving esl admins attitude for weeks and weeks all culminating into an attempted punishment yesterday for his constantly poor behavior. Not to say that I disagree about ESL's professionalism, though I've never taken ESL seriously at any point in it's career. It follows popular games and tries to perpetuate the idea that it is some top notch esport league, but it has trouble paying out prize money to players in various games and seems to be built on fluff. On August 16 2010 22:05 scottyyy wrote: The organisation deserves respect from Idra once they pay him the prize money they owe him. He has no reason to respect them. If he is going to play in their league he should play by their rules. If he is going to give them lip and attitude and be extremely difficult to deal with he deserves to be DQ'd. | ||
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Zingerac
United States138 Posts
On August 16 2010 22:05 robertdinh wrote: He wasn't banned for no reason, i think this is the part you don't understand. He has been giving esl admins attitude for weeks and weeks all culminating into an attempted punishment yesterday for his constantly poor behavior. And the ESL has not paid him for a tournament 7 months ago. | ||
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