EPTThe LotV Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 46
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On November 22 2016 17:14 Probe1 wrote: I'm up in the air about how much better mutas will be. Right now it's very difficult to use them at all. It's hard to judge the difference it will make. Kind of two fold: Mutas against marine tank is very viable, and with the +light removal from liberators, makes them a lot more forgiving. On the other hand, mutas aren't the best against mech. I think we'll probably see a LBM focus on marine tank games, and probably just muta openings into later tech against mech. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Mutalisks are going to be good ZvT, it's more a question of how good the infestor and the hive tech will be. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Also RIP PvZ. It's going to be a brutal few weeks while protoss adjusts. | ||
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bulya
Israel386 Posts
On November 23 2016 19:32 Probe1 wrote: Does anyone have any particular strong feelings on vetoes this season? I skipped hots so half these maps are new to me. Also RIP PvZ. It's going to be a brutal few weeks while protoss adjusts. What is it to be afraid in PvZ? Skytoss? New charglots? Not that much changed for protoss, so even though its my worst zerg MU, I don't see any reason to worry. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 23 2016 21:16 bulya wrote: What is it to be afraid in PvZ? Skytoss? New charglots? Not that much changed for protoss, so even though its my worst zerg MU, I don't see any reason to worry. Other way around. Protoss players are terrified of hydras now. Everyone I talk to is discussing how to hit before hydras come out. I'm telling them that the usual fiddy immortals plan isn't so hot against hydra lurker but it will take them a bit to accept that collo disruptor is going to be sick against Zergs trying to capitalize on hydras. | ||
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ks1aze
2 Posts
Before the patch I usually won those kind of games. Not now. Mech is INVINCIBLE now. I always played macro, but I'm sick of this turtle shit. Please tell me, are there any good zerg allins (preferably 2base allins) vs terran? I hope the nerfs come soon. | ||
Haku
Germany550 Posts
On November 23 2016 21:35 ks1aze wrote: Ok, so every terran I played today is playing mech with cyclon/hellion attack and then turtle with hellion runbys. Before the patch I usually won those kind of games. Not now. Mech is INVINCIBLE now. I always played macro, but I'm sick of this turtle shit. Please tell me, are there any good zerg allins (preferably 2base allins) vs terran? I hope the nerfs come soon. Its funny how the terrans say its the other way arround. I am playing Zerg, but i have not figured it out yet. I was always bad against mech so i am crying about this patch while beeing super frustrated. But lets see what the future brings for myself and the balance in general. Haven´t played much today. EDIT: lol i am loosing to diamond terrans left and right. feels bad man hahaha | ||
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bulya
Israel386 Posts
On November 23 2016 21:51 EXRNaRa wrote: Its funny how the terrans say its the other way arround. I am playing Zerg, but i have not figured it out yet. I was always bad against mech so i am crying about this patch while beeing super frustrated. But lets see what the future brings for myself and the balance in general. Haven´t played much today. EDIT: lol i am loosing to diamond terrans left and right. feels bad man hahaha No matter which race you play you always play the weakest one. It knew that long ago, but offracing lately showed me that. When I play Terran or Protoss and my Zerg opponent have a bunch of lings I'm scared, when I have a lot of lings when playing Zerg vs marines, storm, archon, etc, I fell like my lings are trash. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
On November 23 2016 23:09 bulya wrote: No matter which race you play you always play the weakest one. It knew that long ago, but offracing lately showed me that. When I play Terran or Protoss and my Zerg opponent have a bunch of lings I'm scared, when I have a lot of lings when playing Zerg vs marines, storm, archon, etc, I fell like my lings are trash. Yeah i recently started playing with seperat MMR pushed Terran and Toss also to low master and thats exactly how it feels. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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TentatvePnda
4 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 24 2016 07:29 TentatvePnda wrote: So what maps are good for vetoing? I vetoed Echo, Newkirk and Daybreak because of ZvP. Also considered Vaani because of potential 3rax reaper abuse and Whirlwind, because you mostly play ZvZ there. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 24 2016 07:29 TentatvePnda wrote: So what maps are good for vetoing? The only thing I've vetoed so far is Newkirk. I think it looks absolutely awful after playing on it. Not a balance thing per se just bad map design. | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
You can take so many bases versus a meching Terran that even if you lose your vipers after using blinding cloud, the trade can still be very much in your favor. Cyclone hellion is shit vs roach hydra ling, and tanks just don't shoot anyway. Probably the hardest map to play on vs mech are Echo and Vaani? (I think) because of how small they are, the limited number of expansions and how the expansion pattern allows the mech player to push into you while protecting his bases. This is mid master level btw | ||
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
On November 24 2016 11:33 loginn wrote: Now that tanks are immobile again, vipers are back. I won every mech ZvT I played by going roach ravager hydra ling and having 4-5 vipers with me. You can take so many bases versus a meching Terran that even if you lose your vipers after using blinding cloud, the trade can still be very much in your favor. Cyclone hellion is shit vs roach hydra ling, and tanks just don't shoot anyway. Probably the hardest map to play on vs mech are Echo and Vaani? (I think) because of how small they are, the limited number of expansions and how the expansion pattern allows the mech player to push into you while protecting his bases. This is mid master level btw Cool, I'll try that, what are your unit ratios at max? I'be been trying responding to mech with the classic broodlord corruptor but with the thor buff - broodlord nerf you have to be ahead for it to work. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
soO confirmed it on stream yesterday: "all hydra and vipers" (but that was before he was told about 20 range seekers rofl) | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On November 24 2016 17:48 Ej_ wrote: Just mass hydra with fast hive. The only way for mech player to win is to hit a timing before vipers. Once vipers are outm it's over. soO confirmed it on stream yesterday: "all hydra and vipers" (but that was before he was told about 20 range seekers rofl) You could do this super cheeky build instead that Dark just pulled. Normal opener with a fast RW, turn all roaches into ravagers and use ling ravager to push back hellion cyclone openers. | ||
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bulya
Israel386 Posts
Is there a better way to deal with them other then vipers? (PB or abduct) | ||
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