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LoneYoShi
France1348 Posts
Also, sorry for the attitude in my previous post, I just get really frustrated against P... I actually missed the supply block, both during my game and during my replay watching. So in conclusion, my macro isn't at the level where I think it is (and I'm a bit too hot-headed in my engagements). Good, now I know what to work on. Thanks again ! | ||
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Hvvacha
82 Posts
On October 09 2019 01:59 LoneYoShi wrote: Hi terrans of TL, I'm looking for help regarding my TvP. Right now, I'm at ~35% while playing "standard macro bio", and this is a typical example of how most of my games go: https://drop.sc/replay/11999229 To be honest, I don't know what to think of it and I'm looking for outside opinions.
Any tips, ideas, anything ? https://drop.sc/replay/12027925 I have 80% tvp with this build. actually it might be 100% because I play so rarely that every tvp loss is entirely my fault, legit can't remember when I was outplayed using it. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On October 18 2019 15:45 Wrathsc2 wrote: is there any good 1 or 2 base all ins that i can do vs toss? preferably proxy openings or 1 base all ins..top diamond top dia low/master protoss and the one base i die to most often is proxy marauder. because you can hit fast and make it ambiguous whether it's proxy reaper, fake proxy etc, and because of concussive shells you can win a lot of games instantly if toss doesn't react well. most other proxies and silly one base builds i find pretty easy to react to 4 hellion opener with poke at the front into proxied starport for medivac drop into the main can also be a very fast game ender at this level | ||
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Miket2424
United States26 Posts
My question is, when I see the pool that early, what is a good reponse. I tried cancelling the expansion and going into hellions , but they still take another 40 seconds to a minute to come out, by that time its 2 hellions vs. 20 lings. I appreciate your input. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On October 19 2019 19:00 Miket2424 wrote: I'm getting back to the game, and I'm in gold. I have a build prepared for zerg, taking my natural and going mech. However occasionally , the zerg will get pool before expansion, and have lings on me at 2:10-2:20 with maybe a single marine to defend. My question is, when I see the pool that early, what is a good reponse. I tried cancelling the expansion and going into hellions , but they still take another 40 seconds to a minute to come out, by that time its 2 hellions vs. 20 lings. I appreciate your input. you can pull scvs to kill the initial lings w/your marine. as for the 20 speedling followup you are fine to float the CC to the high ground (or cancel and remake if you don't want to pull your SCVs) and wait for 4 hellions. making that many lings is a big commitment. you are probably mentally blocking yourself by thinking you're behind when you're not. after the first 2-6 lings since you didn't open reaper you should send out another SCV or scan your opponent's natural to determine his followup. that way after defending the initial lings you can land the CC and start mining in case he is droning, and then just float back + wall up if you see more lings coming if you open with an early SCV scout, which you should, when you see late hatchery indicating ling opener you can try to run the SCV toward zerg's third base area so you can keep it alive for the followup scout. if you see a drone trying to take the third base you know your opponent isn't committing to mass ling, otherwise suicide into his base to see what comes out of eggs + if you're lucky scout the main for fast lair which can indicate nydus, muta or speed roach allin finally, since you are trying to play greedy with a marine opening you do have the option of just automatically going for high ground CC, which is totally immune to all these ling timings, and just accept a minor economy loss in macro games. | ||
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Miket2424
United States26 Posts
finally, since you are trying to play greedy with a marine opening you do have the option of just automatically going for high ground CC, which is totally immune to all these ling timings, and just accept a minor economy loss in macro games. Yes that seems like the simplest option, in gold league they try all kinds of crazy sheet, and a late lair may also just mean they forgot to build it. | ||
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Damien
Brazil131 Posts
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washikie
United States752 Posts
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On November 13 2019 09:09 Damien wrote: How to deal with lings/blings/hydralisks as bio? Do I need to play mech? I'm bio. T_T If you see hydras a common response is to mix in tanks with your bio, hydras are expensive compared to just ling bane so if you see them usually there will be a window where you can push with a maxed out 2-2 bio tank army before they get to deep into hive tech. The tanks are great defensively and once you reach a critical mass they have to be countered with hive out of zerg, there comes a tipping point where ling bane hydra just can’t trade reasonably vs bio with tanks. It is very important that you push back creep if this is your game plan, tank pushes are much stronger when zerg does not have vision of your siege and unsiege Times. | ||
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Sound1
France93 Posts
On September 20 2019 03:38 MockHamill wrote: In my experience if you let Protoss get a high Carrier count the game is already lost. I think a better solution is to 1) Damage the protoss economy as much as possible with mine or hellion drops. 2) Do a tank/hellbat/thor/mine push as soon as they start to transition to air, and try to end the game there. In theory you can go BC but in practice Protoss just switches to tempest and kite you to death. Even if you teleport on top of the tempest you typically lose every BC in the process. So killing as many probes as possible and do a kill-push before they can get their late game army is more reliable. Hi everybody, I use this conversation to ask you some tips against mass carriers strat. I am about 3.5k terran with macro bio style. I play random on an other account just for fun. My random is at 3k MMR so Gold 1-Plat3. When I pick terran I have to win 90% of the time but I lost every single game vs toss going mass carriers AND 100 battery shields around his 2 bases. To morrow I lost vs a 2.9k protoss, I cried like a little girl. I know if the toss got more than 10 carriers it is done for me but how don't let him do that. I tried early harass but battery shields deny all my attemtps I tried late game full BC-Vikings (because always I stand on 5 or 6 bases and my opponent on 2 or 3) Add some WM with drilling claws. Every time I lost the lone and final battle I am unable to micro my units to focus fire the carriers Someone can help me plz | ||
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Allred
United States352 Posts
On April 20 2020 21:03 Sound1 wrote: Hi everybody, I use this conversation to ask you some tips against mass carriers strat. I am about 3.5k terran with macro bio style. I play random on an other account just for fun. My random is at 3k MMR so Gold 1-Plat3. When I pick terran I have to win 90% of the time but I lost every single game vs toss going mass carriers AND 100 battery shields around his 2 bases. To morrow I lost vs a 2.9k protoss, I cried like a little girl. I know if the toss got more than 10 carriers it is done for me but how don't let him do that. I tried early harass but battery shields deny all my attemtps I tried late game full BC-Vikings (because always I stand on 5 or 6 bases and my opponent on 2 or 3) Add some WM with drilling claws. Every time I lost the lone and final battle I am unable to micro my units to focus fire the carriers Someone can help me plz well if you have 5 or 6 bases and he has 2 or 3. You don't have to fight his army... when he moves out to attack be in position and go around. you should be able to kill his 3 bases faster than your 5 or 6. if he kills 1 of your bases and retreats, make sure you kill 1 of his as well... | ||
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jojamon
133 Posts
On April 20 2020 22:33 Allred wrote: well if you have 5 or 6 bases and he has 2 or 3. You don't have to fight his army... when he moves out to attack be in position and go around. you should be able to kill his 3 bases faster than your 5 or 6. if he kills 1 of your bases and retreats, make sure you kill 1 of his as well... Yes, outexpand any race turtling, get your production buildings up. Since he spent so much minerals on shield batteries, you could make a lot of CCs and start muling. Thors wreck carriers in their heavy cannon anti-air mode, carriers are easy to click on too. Thors + Vikings should absolutely destroy a mass carrier build. if they go into ground, your vikings can land and vikings do quite well against any gateway units too. | ||
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Sound1
France93 Posts
Yeah, at 3K MMR guys just turtle like mad man and go to T3 units. Im going crazy cause on my side, I expand as fast as I can, my macro still decent but at the end I lost. I will try your advices, maybe more harass with BC, kill his bases and make 200 turrets to defend mines, and I will try Thor. I never ever made a single Thor in TvP. I will give it a chance. | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
622 Posts
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LoneYoShi
France1348 Posts
On April 26 2020 21:33 5ecured wrote: Trying to get back - can someone advise me of the standard builds for each race? Not sure why but the links in the first page do not work anymore Hey man, Personnally, my go-to builds are:
Sidenotes: I think those builds are quite outdated, but I'm doing OK with them at ~4.3k MMR level. As you probably understood, I'm quite fond of bio play. | ||
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
Is for example bc rush somewhat viable or proxy cloak banshee or what are the big boys doing atm? Only cheese I can remember seeing in TvP from GSL is proxy marauder which I already want to move away from... | ||
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On July 01 2020 02:56 Jan1997 wrote: Can someone reccommend me a good cheese in TvP? I've been doing lots of proxy 3 rax marine and proxy 2 rax marauder but I'm now noticing a trend where these cheeses don't really work that well anymore at people 4500+ unless I micro like a god. Is for example bc rush somewhat viable or proxy cloak banshee or what are the big boys doing atm? Only cheese I can remember seeing in TvP from GSL is proxy marauder which I already want to move away from... Although proxy’s can still work if you really catch toss off guard battery overcharge is extremely strong vs frontal attacks early game when unit numbers are low, unless they play greedy, don’t scout, and don’t counter correctly I don’t think proxy marauder is good any more, I used to abuse the build a lot last season but see little to no success with it any more even with the more Allin 2 rax on their side of the map version. I think for cheesy/risky builds the best bet are builds where you cut your defense/delay 2 base push to have a big chance of doing economic damage for instance if you go 4 hellion drop you can wreck an unprepared toss’s income right before thier 4 gate blink comes online. Playing this way can get you a lot of free wins But it makes you vulnerable to allins. You end up being pretty dependent on dealing a ton of dmg because you don’t have enough to hold the blink counter attack otherwise. Honestly with the new battery and the blink meta I think it’s better to try to play extremely straight up vs toss right now. I have become a fan of Clem’s opening where he gets 2 reapers and a hellion and uses them either to pressure or defend doing this lets him cut a bunker and go into slightly faster 3 rax this in turn lets you hold off 4 gate blink and from their you can take a third if they go 2 base tech or fight at their third if they expo. | ||
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Light1082
18 Posts
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On September 04 2020 14:25 Light1082 wrote: GM Terran and I'm still 0% winrate against proxy Void Ray builds. Does anyone have the answer for me? uThermal's guide: | ||
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