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EJK
United States1302 Posts
Here is my breif battle report on the matter based on the game soO vs Fantasy recently played at IEM gamescon highlighting some important aspects of this style. Another recent example is the game played between SKT's Dark and Samsung Bravo where Dark executes the same style ultra queen attack that denies Bravo's 4th base and puts Dark in a commanding lead, the vod can be found here | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
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JamesT
United States681 Posts
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
One problem though, is that if this becomes too popular, terran will do more mech-based timing push that hurt soooo much (with a few SCVs pulled) T.T (Edit: typo) | ||
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JamesT
United States681 Posts
On August 10 2015 22:36 AbouSV wrote: Thanks for the report and quick explanation. I noted this also. One problem though, is that if this becomes too popular, terran will do more mech-based timing push that hurt soooo much (with a few SCVs pulled) T.T (Edit: typo) I would rather have the timing pushes then the turtle to BC's. | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
On August 10 2015 22:36 AbouSV wrote: Thanks for the report and quick explanation. I noted this also. One problem though, is that if this becomes too popular, terran will do more mech-based timing push that hurt soooo much (with a few SCVs pulled) T.T (Edit: typo) and thus the meta game is made | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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Cazimirbzh
334 Posts
^^ it's been a long time since i saw this opening/transition People are so focused on the late game mech that they forget that mech has multiple vulnerable spots before the late game. it's called being cautious  | ||
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00Zarathustra
Bolivia419 Posts
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On August 11 2015 01:42 00Zarathustra wrote: Ok but this doesn't consider that Fantasy miss-read Soo, moved out and got caught out of position. If he would just be turtling and positioning behind a strong wall he might have defended the push. He had to take the fourth and it was already a lot into the game imo. Also that timing is way weaker on terraform, no? | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24232 Posts
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
this made me chuckle: soO remaxes on 43 mutalisks to check mate Fantasy, whom on 3 bases cannot effectively make enough anti air to defend against them | ||
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
Thanks! | ||
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agsub
Singapore368 Posts
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
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Isarios
United States153 Posts
Your second on the counter build was confusing and I did not get as much out of it. I don't play zerg very well, but it would have been nice to add how he played the midgame and what he did to get good engagements. | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
On August 11 2015 19:03 Isarios wrote: Your first imgur of the mech build winning was AMAZING. really good information great break down of scouting. Your second on the counter build was confusing and I did not get as much out of it. I don't play zerg very well, but it would have been nice to add how he played the midgame and what he did to get good engagements. all he did in mid game was add a 3rd evo, skip roach hydra production, and make ultra and queens. Then for a good engagement, he just spread out his units a little bit then attack moved after blinding cloud. There's not much more left to say I think | ||
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Isarios
United States153 Posts
On August 11 2015 20:15 EJK wrote: all he did in mid game was add a 3rd evo, skip roach hydra production, and make ultra and queens. Then for a good engagement, he just spread out his units a little bit then attack moved after blinding cloud. There's not much more left to say I think You said something about muta opening. How did he scout? What and how much did he use to fend off small pokes? Again, scouting and other things are great to explain. Things you may think are obvious are not for lesser skilled players. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
It is not just made, it evolves (sounds pretty serious written this way!). Just that I prefer turtleling terran compare to mech timing push, but again, that is mainly because I don't know how to scoot for it since it is not much in the meta yet. | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
On August 11 2015 20:33 Isarios wrote: You said something about muta opening. How did he scout? What and how much did he use to fend off small pokes? Again, scouting and other things are great to explain. Things you may think are obvious are not for lesser skilled players. He made 6 or 8 roaches with roach speed. I couldn't read the number in the VOD coz I had to use a lower quality. I imagine having a number of queens at one base (say soO's 4th base on coda) and roaches towards the 3rd and natural area will cover your bases against hellions. Then, before you attack, add a couple spines at each base to secure the location after the roaches and queens move out of position The problem with explaining everything is that then it becomes a comprehensive breakdown for every single decision made in that game. I agree breaking things down for lesser skilled players is a good thing, but the time commitment for both me and the reader is a tough line to balance | ||
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