[G] How to mech in TvP: A youtube series! - Page 2

On May 21 2015 11:03 TwiggyWan wrote:
Hey, good stuff for a good strat!

What do you do when you see nothing with your scan at 6 mins? Let's say your scv didnt get to see where were all the pylons (so that's the case when you're completely in the dark)

On May 25 2015 23:05 terrancake wrote:
Been having a lot of fun with this, but it feels a little gimmicky and random. So much stuff Protoss can do to punish you.
For example it seems that scouting a late Robo can mean anything in TvP.

Here I was, happily going along with the build as proposed.
E-bay block, into his main I see 1 gas, 2 pylons, he gets MSC and a stalker. Pretty standard stuff.
Runs down the ramp starts chipping away at the E-bay. Just as planned

Scan at 6 minute, saw a 66% done Robo and 3 gateways.
Oh wow, I'll do the double factory reactored hellion into hellbat drop. Strap in, we're off to the races!

But little did I know, just out side of scan range, a Twighlight Council was warping in.
9minute Warp Prism+DT -> no turret, all energy on mules to afford hellions.

Maybe you always have to add safety turrets no matter what vs toss?

On May 26 2015 04:13 JCoto wrote:


I think that when meching you just need to build turrets most of the times if you don't see much, since it's a more passive opening. Also 2 mines on the back of command centers can help a ton just in case. But anyways, timings are also quite interesing here. A 3gate build would kick tech around minute 4:30 to 5:30 or so. Protosses commonly make their first tech choose not later than minute 5. So it's a bit suspicious to see a "late" robo.

PvT commonly follows 3 potential builds: Stargate>Robo (commonly at 1 gateway), Twilight> Robo or Robo>Twilight.
2/3 possibilities have potential safety turrets.

I think that the e-bay block tends to cause overreaction on Toss. Most players tend to go aggro/all-in because it feels like a potential situation to be falling behind on macro. And being delayed vs Terran isn't the most comfortable thing, since Bio is easy to produce, will outnumber the Protoss army, and without enough colossi there is little to do about it.

On May 26 2015 04:46 terrancake wrote:

I hear you man.
If you watch the second video in the OP, Bodzilla changes his build if he sees the Robo warping in when he scans. This is when he transitions into the hellbat drop. This was the build I was trying to do, it looks and feels really strong if you are allowed to get away with it.

The problem I see with that one is that you are spending 400 minerals per round of units (2x2 hellions) and you want to start 2 medivcas (200 / 200) and +1 armor (100 / 100). You have to use the energy for mules or you just don't have the minerals. It is already kind of tight so adding the E-bay+turret(s) seems clunky and I don't know how to fit it in.

Ever since herO started doing the DT stuff it seems like a lot of Protoss right now is following suit. One sign you can scout for is the amount of stalkers/sentries so I guess you could send the first hellions out on the map to try to figure it out.
If you see a low number of gas units, get one round of mines and use the excess minerals to add the E-bay just in case. I'm just theorycrafting though since I've only played against it the one time when doing this build.

Most of the time it is as you write, the tech is already done at 6 minute but in that case, following the build in the OP, you don't go for the hellbat timing.

On May 26 2015 06:42 JCoto wrote:


I think that the problem was that in the vid (part 2) the Toss went 1 gate Robo with early Nexus, meaning that it was very very unlikely for the Toss to have hughe resistance prepared for the attack , and you might have faced 1 base cheese or with late nexus. 3 gates, Robo and Twilight at min 6 feel too much thing for an early nexus IMAO.