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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
September 26 2015 08:04 GMT
#241
Cool vid buddy
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-26 08:45:01
September 26 2015 08:19 GMT
#242
When do i need to throw down the bunker, to hold that push? I have trouble fitting it perfectly in!

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6193307

nope this push is way to strong!

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6193319
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
September 26 2015 11:18 GMT
#243
I dunno how to say this but the MSC zealot stalker push was solved literally 2 years ago.

He has to do damage or he's fucked because he's ebay blocked and cant expand. Just hold it and you win.
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-26 11:29:00
September 26 2015 11:27 GMT
#244
i thought that 2, but that's just not true, in my case, i lose so horribly, because he deals SO much dmg. With Reaper FE i got Reaper to spot the zealot, enough time for bunker gg, sure, but with your BO this is not the case, i don't spot the zealot, i don't see the pushout, and he is able to easily kill a lot of stuff, the 3-4 marines i got at that time, isn't enough to deal with that, so i have to pull 6-8 SCVs, and he only needs to kill the marines to win, as he can run past the bunker, and the MSC wins, as i have just single Marine production.
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
September 26 2015 13:08 GMT
#245
You always get a bunker. If they're not attacking your ebay, they're attacking you :S
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-26 13:31:51
September 26 2015 13:28 GMT
#246
but when do i get the bunker? I placed it down at 4:10 and it is TO late, so i have to skip SCV or Marine in order to get the bunker earlier <.< So... what do i skip? I would say dont skip the marine, you need at least 3 marines to deal with the MSC, but still, that is... so uncool.

The tip with, if they dont attack the ebay they go for you is great, but how do i know, that he didn't cancel the zealot, if i don't see it? That would be the most important intel. Also if i place the ebay near to the minerals i dont see the ramp so i won't see any units moving out of Protoss mainbase There is a way the SCV misses the zealot, depending on timings and buildings placement. Would you say i should place the CC on the highground? If the Bunker isn't finished, he hits with 1 zealot, 1 msc and 1 stalker vs my 3 marines, so on the lowground they are dead, on the highground... just pull SCVs and micro your heart out and focus MSC? Your Build and Plan of the TvP mech is awesome, but i have to admit, your timings are SO incredible hard to hit, as every second matters in the early game and decides if you lose or survive.
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EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
September 28 2015 18:25 GMT
#247
the late game mech is becoming very scary...

http://spawningtool.com/31232/
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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 08:56:53
September 29 2015 08:28 GMT
#248
ok, so i had this very interessting game, and no clue why i lost it. I think i did all according to your Video, but maybe i am wrong.

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6197835

and nother game where i had litterly no chance what so ever

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6197838
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 11:35:00
September 29 2015 11:25 GMT
#249
You shouldn't need me to point out some of these obvious mistakes your making in your replays.

Terraform
You got the order for your buildings wrong which meant you hit 20 seconds late, that meant he had 3 collossi instead of 2.
You then didn't drop on the collossi at all, and instead dropped them in front of them to just evaporate. You wouldn't drop marines like that, so why would you with hellbats.

Coda
You scout high energy on nexus, obviously chrono is not being used on nexus to build probes and he has only 1 gas, gateway attack on the way. You need to respond by just making widow mines for factory's with no addons, repair your bunkers and prepare for a big attack and tech to medivacs.

Do you look at these replays yourself before asking me?
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-29 15:39:42
September 29 2015 15:12 GMT
#250
Yes i watch the replays, but i am not genius, for knowing what to do and when and why in TvT only for Taejas Autoturret Doomdrop it took me 3 months of practice. TvP Mech is super new for me and the early super stressful, as Protoss has SO much stuff they can do. And with the ebay block they start to throw stuff at me, i almost never encoutered so far.

Is 42 Energy on nexus rly "high energy" ? For me it is just one chrono not used, which doesn't need to be gateway attack, also it's warpprism attack, which i have no clue how to defend properly with 1 rax production. If it would have been almost 70 ok sure, but 42 isn't that much, i think.

thx again for your help Bodzilla i really appreciate that. You don't need to go through the replays if you don't feel like, i won't be angry or anything and even if, who cares? The mistakes you point out as obvious, aren't obvious for me, otherwise i wouldn't ask :/
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EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 01:06:51
September 30 2015 21:16 GMT
#251
near flawless tvp macro game against a fast air rush

http://spawningtool.com/31242/


edit:" heres another macro tvp mech game

http://spawningtool.com/31243/

late game mech is kinda strong...



late late game, splitting map on iron i dont think sky army can be beat lol
http://spawningtool.com/31720/
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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 09:17:58
October 01 2015 06:54 GMT
#252
pretty good games. I also think, if you hit Skyterran you almost won, imagine sneaking in some ghost as well for EMP and Nuke, would be sure awesome^^

Edit:

I played a TvP on cactus valley today, and yeah i lost due to stupidnes. I would like to know, how exactly i defend the Voidray allin. As it was a 4 player map i had no Ebay block, just regular ebay to defend the oracle, which is fine. But then i lost the game, WMs get sniped by oracle detection and voidray, the bunker at the ramp at my main, dies so fast and the turret as well, from that point on i lost ground and the game. What exaclty do i need to defend? I got 1 rax and 2 fax all without addon, but matched all timings this time, so fax was on 5:00 and 5:30 all super duper fine. But the Protoss simply doesnt engage like that Protoss in your video :D mine was a bit smarter and didn't lose the oracle, so he was able to snipe the WMs.

Also i lost the scouting SCV at roughly 5:15, so i saw no nexus there, but wasn't able to scout if there was a base or not, as the protss had the oracle and one stalker at my nat, so nothing could move out.

I think i might need 2-3 bunker and WMs very close to the bunker as well as pull 12 SCVs? Try to focus fire the voids? Tanks would be helpful vs stalker, but ... i don't rly wanna go for them as i think there is no need. So... can i blindly go for a Starport? If so at what time?
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
October 01 2015 11:36 GMT
#253
Unless it's a twilight opening such as HT, blink or DT you always get a starport at 6 minutes. Use some widow mines to do a pressure with a medivac to scout what they're aiming for, and hopefully get some damage. After that point you taylor your units to what they're making.

The reason he attacks into me in the vod is because i have his nat blocked so he cant expand so thats the main difference.

The stargate stuff is tough, and it's what i'm working on at the moment so the best response i have is to rush a medivac, do a mine drop and get a reactor on your rax, swap it with your starport and start making tank viking.

The cool thing about vikings is that they're actually pretty good vs gateway units, so even if you over make vikings to defend his air attack, you can just land them and use some SCV's to repair them. They'll deal with zealots and stalkers in even numbers and with some tanks in support you should be able to stabalize.

The vikings function pretty similar to how they do in TvT at the start of the game.
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 12:17:07
October 01 2015 11:47 GMT
#254
Ok thx, that is very good to know, so 6 min Starport unless twilight, good.

I got another game, where i blocked the nat and saw the late robo. easy stuff, the attack did deal a lot of dmg. I dropped on top of his army, killed a bunch of probes, killed even his natural nexus, but, how do i setup behind that? Because what most of the time happens is, that he counter attacks. So i know behind that i get the 3rd CC, take the gases and go for additional factories, but what do i do with the 2 reactor fax and the reactor SP in the meantime? Do i keep producing medivac hellbat? Vs stalker colossus, which is the most common counterattack, i feel like i need tank viking, but i am not sure. So what do i produce out of the 2 fax and the starport i got, after, or while, the attack? The counterattack can be quite strong, and WMs seem not too good, as he got Observer^^

if you want to, no need, that would be the replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6200700

Edit:

Another thing^^ sry... what do i do, if i scan and see NOTHING :D i got a game where i scaned and missed all his structures^^'

All i saw was 2 gas, nexus with 25% energy, Cyber core researching and 3 pylons and an pylon being constructed. Also i didn't know for sure if it was a 2nd nexus or not, i only knew he attacked my ebay and i had to cancel it. Behind that he went for blink, i was able to defend but... vs a decent Protoss, i think i might have died.

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6200714
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-01 14:41:38
October 01 2015 14:38 GMT
#255
after hellbat timing you should have 3 factory's with techlabs on the way. You only want to make about 6 medivacs before starting viking production. So combined with the medivacs you manage to save, the vikings and hellbats your building and the tanks that your about to start building you can hold any feeble counter attack pretty easily.

Just remember to not miss your production cycles and it'll be very easy to hold


as for your second thing
you have a 2nd scan available about 10 seconds later, if your super paranoid about some early aggression you can scan again, but generally if they're doing things like that it's because they're hiding their tech at a proxy pylon.

If you see their first 3 pylons, you scan those pylons and theres no tech, it means he's played his build out sub optimally and got way more supply available then he needed and his push will be much weaker as a result.

Sometimes when they do things like this it can be all sorts of stuff however DT and blink are the most common though.
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
TheTasty
Profile Joined October 2014
Mexico33 Posts
October 01 2015 20:10 GMT
#256
This is GREAT!!! ❤
I quote, you read
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
October 03 2015 16:53 GMT
#257
http://spawningtool.com/31883/

interesting tvp, i dont think pure sky protoss army is viable unless you are ahead. I think you need to stick toa mix of ground/air to win vs terran mech
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
October 05 2015 04:28 GMT
#258
That goes for both parties though. If you go pure air as a terran you'll lose to a protoss ground army.

The trick is to try and take out each other's important units to make your's better.
So if you can take care of immortals, tempests and collossi, Thors become godtier.

And if protoss can take care of BC's, or attack before you have enough, immortal and archons become amazing
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
Phattyasmo
Profile Joined October 2011
United States69 Posts
October 05 2015 04:52 GMT
#259
Not to mention the fact you played a blatant hacker and still won as well in that last replay; good job. Sadly, this game is no longer what it used to be due to hackers/cheaters...or maybe it's just me.
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
October 05 2015 06:09 GMT
#260
On October 05 2015 13:52 Phattyasmo wrote:
Not to mention the fact you played a blatant hacker and still won as well in that last replay; good job. Sadly, this game is no longer what it used to be due to hackers/cheaters...or maybe it's just me.

he helped me out, he could have won if he wanted to. But he chose to teach me something from that game and I think thats more important then winning or losing
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