EPT[G] How to mech in TvP: A youtube series! - Page 13
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Bodzilla
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AleXusher
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http://ggtracker.com/matches/6193307 nope this push is way to strong! http://ggtracker.com/matches/6193319 | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
He has to do damage or he's fucked because he's ebay blocked and cant expand. Just hold it and you win. | ||
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AleXusher
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
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AleXusher
280 Posts
The tip with, if they dont attack the ebay they go for you is great, but how do i know, that he didn't cancel the zealot, if i don't see it? That would be the most important intel. Also if i place the ebay near to the minerals i dont see the ramp so i won't see any units moving out of Protoss mainbase  There is a way the SCV misses the zealot, depending on timings and buildings placement. Would you say i should place the CC on the highground? If the Bunker isn't finished, he hits with 1 zealot, 1 msc and 1 stalker vs my 3 marines, so on the lowground they are dead, on the highground... just pull SCVs and micro your heart out and focus MSC? Your Build and Plan of the TvP mech is awesome, but i have to admit, your timings are SO incredible hard to hit, as every second matters in the early game and decides if you lose or survive. | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
http://spawningtool.com/31232/ | ||
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AleXusher
280 Posts
http://ggtracker.com/matches/6197835 and nother game where i had litterly no chance what so ever http://ggtracker.com/matches/6197838 | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
Terraform You got the order for your buildings wrong which meant you hit 20 seconds late, that meant he had 3 collossi instead of 2. You then didn't drop on the collossi at all, and instead dropped them in front of them to just evaporate. You wouldn't drop marines like that, so why would you with hellbats. Coda You scout high energy on nexus, obviously chrono is not being used on nexus to build probes and he has only 1 gas, gateway attack on the way. You need to respond by just making widow mines for factory's with no addons, repair your bunkers and prepare for a big attack and tech to medivacs. Do you look at these replays yourself before asking me? | ||
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AleXusher
280 Posts
Is 42 Energy on nexus rly "high energy" ? For me it is just one chrono not used, which doesn't need to be gateway attack, also it's warpprism attack, which i have no clue how to defend properly with 1 rax production. If it would have been almost 70 ok sure, but 42 isn't that much, i think. thx again for your help Bodzilla i really appreciate that. You don't need to go through the replays if you don't feel like, i won't be angry or anything and even if, who cares? The mistakes you point out as obvious, aren't obvious for me, otherwise i wouldn't ask :/ | ||
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
http://spawningtool.com/31242/ edit:" heres another macro tvp mech game http://spawningtool.com/31243/ late game mech is kinda strong... late late game, splitting map on iron i dont think sky army can be beat lol http://spawningtool.com/31720/ | ||
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AleXusher
280 Posts
Edit: I played a TvP on cactus valley today, and yeah i lost due to stupidnes. I would like to know, how exactly i defend the Voidray allin. As it was a 4 player map i had no Ebay block, just regular ebay to defend the oracle, which is fine. But then i lost the game, WMs get sniped by oracle detection and voidray, the bunker at the ramp at my main, dies so fast and the turret as well, from that point on i lost ground and the game. What exaclty do i need to defend? I got 1 rax and 2 fax all without addon, but matched all timings this time, so fax was on 5:00 and 5:30 all super duper fine. But the Protoss simply doesnt engage like that Protoss in your video :D mine was a bit smarter and didn't lose the oracle, so he was able to snipe the WMs. Also i lost the scouting SCV at roughly 5:15, so i saw no nexus there, but wasn't able to scout if there was a base or not, as the protss had the oracle and one stalker at my nat, so nothing could move out. I think i might need 2-3 bunker and WMs very close to the bunker as well as pull 12 SCVs? Try to focus fire the voids? Tanks would be helpful vs stalker, but ... i don't rly wanna go for them as i think there is no need. So... can i blindly go for a Starport? If so at what time? | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
The reason he attacks into me in the vod is because i have his nat blocked so he cant expand so thats the main difference. The stargate stuff is tough, and it's what i'm working on at the moment so the best response i have is to rush a medivac, do a mine drop and get a reactor on your rax, swap it with your starport and start making tank viking. The cool thing about vikings is that they're actually pretty good vs gateway units, so even if you over make vikings to defend his air attack, you can just land them and use some SCV's to repair them. They'll deal with zealots and stalkers in even numbers and with some tanks in support you should be able to stabalize. The vikings function pretty similar to how they do in TvT at the start of the game. | ||
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AleXusher
280 Posts
I got another game, where i blocked the nat and saw the late robo. easy stuff, the attack did deal a lot of dmg. I dropped on top of his army, killed a bunch of probes, killed even his natural nexus, but, how do i setup behind that? Because what most of the time happens is, that he counter attacks. So i know behind that i get the 3rd CC, take the gases and go for additional factories, but what do i do with the 2 reactor fax and the reactor SP in the meantime? Do i keep producing medivac hellbat? Vs stalker colossus, which is the most common counterattack, i feel like i need tank viking, but i am not sure. So what do i produce out of the 2 fax and the starport i got, after, or while, the attack? The counterattack can be quite strong, and WMs seem not too good, as he got Observer^^ if you want to, no need, that would be the replay: http://ggtracker.com/matches/6200700 Edit: Another thing^^ sry... what do i do, if i scan and see NOTHING :D i got a game where i scaned and missed all his structures^^' All i saw was 2 gas, nexus with 25% energy, Cyber core researching and 3 pylons and an pylon being constructed. Also i didn't know for sure if it was a 2nd nexus or not, i only knew he attacked my ebay and i had to cancel it. Behind that he went for blink, i was able to defend but... vs a decent Protoss, i think i might have died. http://ggtracker.com/matches/6200714 | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
Just remember to not miss your production cycles and it'll be very easy to hold as for your second thing you have a 2nd scan available about 10 seconds later, if your super paranoid about some early aggression you can scan again, but generally if they're doing things like that it's because they're hiding their tech at a proxy pylon. If you see their first 3 pylons, you scan those pylons and theres no tech, it means he's played his build out sub optimally and got way more supply available then he needed and his push will be much weaker as a result. Sometimes when they do things like this it can be all sorts of stuff however DT and blink are the most common though. | ||
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TheTasty
Mexico33 Posts
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
interesting tvp, i dont think pure sky protoss army is viable unless you are ahead. I think you need to stick toa mix of ground/air to win vs terran mech | ||
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Bodzilla
Australia472 Posts
The trick is to try and take out each other's important units to make your's better. So if you can take care of immortals, tempests and collossi, Thors become godtier. And if protoss can take care of BC's, or attack before you have enough, immortal and archons become amazing | ||
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Phattyasmo
United States68 Posts
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
On October 05 2015 13:52 Phattyasmo wrote: Not to mention the fact you played a blatant hacker and still won as well in that last replay; good job. Sadly, this game is no longer what it used to be due to hackers/cheaters...or maybe it's just me. he helped me out, he could have won if he wanted to. But he chose to teach me something from that game and I think thats more important then winning or losing | ||
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