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[G] How to mech in TvP: A youtube series! - Page 14

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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-05 10:32:26
October 05 2015 09:54 GMT
#261
ok so Tempest cannon bunker Toss with HT and Mothership is ... i have no clue how to break it

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6204945

blame it on bad micro, but still, no clue.
What i think could work is, like 4 tanks to zone HTs and kill canons, use Ghosts for EMP and nuke, and raven for PDD so tempest cant snipe ghost, but i could imagine that is rly difficult to pull off^^ I also think that Thor would be nice vs canons, but are super weak vs tempest, Tempest are designed to take out big units.

On the other hand mech CAN beat rank 25 GM :D Sure i made tons of mistakes, but it is funny how strong mech is vs a poor unit comp out of toss. And that double WM drop still hits strong

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6204982
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
October 05 2015 11:00 GMT
#262
You kept attacking into his strongest position.

And besides, he has no ground army, just go hellbat thor viking raven and attack his expansions and he'll never get to 4 base's
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-05 11:38:27
October 05 2015 11:32 GMT
#263
I tried now the hellion raven after blink, didnt work at all for me. OK i went in one by one, but... what do you think, how many hellions do i need to take out his army? 40? 50? When should i attack?

Also i should have not thrown away all those hellbats at his 3rd but i thought that counter attack could kill a lot of stuff, i was so wrong.

Most trouble i have is not dying to a P who keeps hitting left and right the whole time, also stalker are SO good in picking off units!

http://ggtracker.com/matches/6205016
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Phattyasmo
Profile Joined October 2011
United States68 Posts
October 05 2015 11:41 GMT
#264
On October 05 2015 15:09 EJK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2015 13:52 Phattyasmo wrote:
Not to mention the fact you played a blatant hacker and still won as well in that last replay; good job. Sadly, this game is no longer what it used to be due to hackers/cheaters...or maybe it's just me.

he helped me out, he could have won if he wanted to. But he chose to teach me something from that game and I think thats more important then winning or losing


True; point taken. I'm pretty hard on people who hack (He is 75-13, 85%) in general.
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
October 05 2015 16:37 GMT
#265
On October 05 2015 20:41 Phattyasmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2015 15:09 EJK wrote:
On October 05 2015 13:52 Phattyasmo wrote:
Not to mention the fact you played a blatant hacker and still won as well in that last replay; good job. Sadly, this game is no longer what it used to be due to hackers/cheaters...or maybe it's just me.

he helped me out, he could have won if he wanted to. But he chose to teach me something from that game and I think thats more important then winning or losing


True; point taken. I'm pretty hard on people who hack (He is 75-13, 85%) in general.

I don't mind people hacking. I just see it as a small handicap to an otherwise normal game
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Womec
Profile Joined June 2014
7 Posts
October 06 2015 01:07 GMT
#266
Thanks for the replays EJK and Bodzilla, I'll give this stuff a try and get back to you.
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
October 07 2015 04:37 GMT
#267
everyone playing mech should watch these games

http://hots.spawningtool.com/31967/

http://hots.spawningtool.com/31968/
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
October 07 2015 05:27 GMT
#268
Top replays man, go win the lan
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
October 07 2015 12:53 GMT
#269
ok so i mistakenly played a TvP where i played the Hellion Marine Elevator BO for TvT <.< i rly thought it was a TvT, as i realized a probe in my main for scouting i was like "sh*t" i went for 2 hellions 1 WM and 6-8 Marines with one medivac out of 1 base, vs a protoss with an early expand, and it worked so well!

So now i wonder, is there a possibility, to safely go for that kind of aggression? Is there a BO for that? You still need to scout for oracle, blink, gateway pressure etc, but if you could pull that one of it could be a very cool opening, no?

http://hots.spawningtool.com/31969/
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Pnissen
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark110 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 18:02:42
October 07 2015 17:23 GMT
#270
On October 07 2015 21:53 AleXusher wrote:
ok so i mistakenly played a TvP where i played the Hellion Marine Elevator BO for TvT <.< i rly thought it was a TvT, as i realized a probe in my main for scouting i was like "sh*t" i went for 2 hellions 1 WM and 6-8 Marines with one medivac out of 1 base, vs a protoss with an early expand, and it worked so well!

So now i wonder, is there a possibility, to safely go for that kind of aggression? Is there a BO for that? You still need to scout for oracle, blink, gateway pressure etc, but if you could pull that one of it could be a very cool opening, no?

http://hots.spawningtool.com/31969/


Well this is basically how I open my mech games vs toss with a gas first into widow mine marine drop. I then do follow up drops with drilling claws. I stole a build order from Innovation which he used against Zest. I like the scouting this provides as well as forcing early units from the protoss - units that he often doesnt want to make.


Mvp - INnoVation - Maru
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
October 07 2015 19:40 GMT
#271
http://hots.spawningtool.com/31971/

my 4th base kept getting sniped but i was able to catch up on the base count, stabilize, and win :O
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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 20:32:09
October 07 2015 20:08 GMT
#272
I asked this question once, but still, what do i do if i scan and see nothing? i only know it was 13 gate, one gas and he wanted to expand. So i have ebay block and he kills the ebay, or i cancel in time tbh^^

Srsly, the 2nd scan can miss as well, and then? How do i react? I mean sure DT and blink might be the most common thing, but it's not 100% sure. So how do i react if i see nothing at 6:00 min with my scan? I mean i basically have to be prepared for anything! <.<

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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
October 07 2015 21:18 GMT
#273
There is no right way to respond, because you dont know what it is.

You either play safe and get behind economically, or take a gamble on what you think the opening is and you either get ahead or lose.
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
October 07 2015 21:27 GMT
#274
On October 08 2015 05:08 AleXusher wrote:
I asked this question once, but still, what do i do if i scan and see nothing? i only know it was 13 gate, one gas and he wanted to expand. So i have ebay block and he kills the ebay, or i cancel in time tbh^^

Srsly, the 2nd scan can miss as well, and then? How do i react? I mean sure DT and blink might be the most common thing, but it's not 100% sure. So how do i react if i see nothing at 6:00 min with my scan? I mean i basically have to be prepared for anything! <.<


thats pretty much how it works
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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
October 08 2015 05:21 GMT
#275
That rly sucks :D But ok, i get it^^ thx again^^
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EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 12:12:28
October 08 2015 12:12 GMT
#276
On October 08 2015 14:21 AleXusher wrote:
That rly sucks :D But ok, i get it^^ thx again^^

it doesn't suck. that is the reason why macro is generally accepted as the strongest style to play. A good macro build is able to hold all these different timings with limited scouting information without falling behind
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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 19:12:17
October 08 2015 18:38 GMT
#277
In my opinion it does suck, i mean ok, i don't get the information, i am screwed that is SC2. Still feels bad. And yet i am not able to prepare for anything, without scratching my eco, which means, i won't have perfect macro, which i already don't have, so yeah, it does suck imo^^

I simply can't get a SP at min 6 as well as bunker, tanks, wms and safetyturrets, just in case this or that might come along.
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EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
October 09 2015 01:07 GMT
#278
On October 09 2015 03:38 AleXusher wrote:
In my opinion it does suck, i mean ok, i don't get the information, i am screwed that is SC2. Still feels bad. And yet i am not able to prepare for anything, without scratching my eco, which means, i won't have perfect macro, which i already don't have, so yeah, it does suck imo^^

I simply can't get a SP at min 6 as well as bunker, tanks, wms and safetyturrets, just in case this or that might come along.

if you notice in my replays, i pretty much do the same build over and over again. The reason being because it is flexible enough to hold vs every allin and offers basically a gauranteed way to get onto 3 bases. But that was over the course of a couple hundred games of doing the same build over and over over a period of almost 2 months before I got to where I am with the build today.
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AleXusher
Profile Joined September 2014
280 Posts
October 10 2015 09:05 GMT
#279
How do you drain energy from your medivacs? I tried to drop hellbats on top of immo HT Archon Zealot, which would be awesome, as well as frontal attack with hellbat Thor Tank, but Feedback killed all Medivacs... I tried to lower energy with hellbat attacking each other but that didnt rly work
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Bodzilla
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia472 Posts
October 10 2015 09:12 GMT
#280
the reason you only get 6 is because past a point in the game, they stop being useful.

You can get your medivacs low by attacking your units, but your generally just better off using the supply for better things
when life gives you lemons, make banelings
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