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If you go Mech, use Thors and Turrets for early mutalisk defense. Regardless of what the Zerg plays, unless you are doing heavy timing attacks, you will need Vikings anyways for Vipers and Broodlords, so add those too and then add Ravens.
Try to counteract the zerg mutalisk movement with the viking/raven flock and excessive amounts of scans form an excessive amount of macro-OCs. When the Zerg engages your vikings with mutalisks or corruptors, don't use Seeker Missiles on them, PDD does the job just fine! The problem with seekers is that good zerg players will start to pull their seekered mutalisks into their Ravens and Vikings and your Seekers will kill your own units.
There is hardly anything you can do about this once you started the seeker missiles because mutas and corruptors just outrun your stuff, so, despite this working well against bad opponents, good opponents will turn seekers against you and that's one of the only ways a zerg can really kill bigger Raven flocks efficiently. Again, PDD+10-15vikings can take on 30 and more mutas with no losses, so you don't need to seeker in the first place.
If you get 1-2Thors into combat too with proper army movement or prepositioning a few thors across all your bases, you should be able to murder those pesky little crows without Seekers no problem in direct combat. But of course, this takes quite some work and training to get accustomed to, since it requires quite some defensive maneuvering skills to keep up with mutas bouncing back into fog of war.
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Thank you for all your replies. This thread will help my TvZ significantly. I will put your suggestions into practice right away  After a nap of course 
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On January 24 2015 17:27 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Well, the mass raven style in tvz is generally is about taking the game in two stages. Stage one is securing roughly half the map and adding as much defence there as to become invincible, especially when combined with mass Raven PDD. When you zerg cannot attack you, you move into stage 2 which is slowly creeping forwards with tanks and ravens and stuff, constantly picking away at his stuff until he runs out of money. Should take an hour or until the zerg runds out of patience.
Not true, you can seeker missile your medivac and boost it into the mutas. Or drop a mule and missile it.
You may not even need the PDD because when a unit dies the bomb still goes off where it last was.
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On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude?
He's on Root a shit attitude is required
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On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required
attitudes like yours and granite's are the reason why it is rare for progamers to post...
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Can we please avoid the aggressive posting?
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On January 25 2015 03:07 Teoita wrote:
Can we please avoid the aggressive posting?
okay
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On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required
Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism.
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On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism.
thats not a verbal assault its stating a fact
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On January 25 2015 03:13 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism. thats not a verbal assault its stating a fact
Oh ok, well definitely send CatZ your resume then, you're going to be big.
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On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism.
can you please show me where he gave me a useful reply? i am so sick of the tl elitism. where can i post about this issue?
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On January 25 2015 03:21 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 03:13 LongShot27 wrote:On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism. thats not a verbal assault its stating a fact Oh ok, well definitely send CatZ your resume then, you're going to be big.
If you're going to attempt to insult me at least try to make it make sense
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On January 25 2015 03:23 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 03:21 Saechiis wrote:On January 25 2015 03:13 LongShot27 wrote:On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism. thats not a verbal assault its stating a fact Oh ok, well definitely send CatZ your resume then, you're going to be big. If you're going to attempt to insult me at least try to make it make sense
"He's on ROOT a shit attitude is required"
It makes perfect sense.
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On January 25 2015 03:23 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism. can you please show me where he gave me a useful reply? i am so sick of the tl elitism. where can i post about this issue?
He replies to the OP saying you don't defend vs muta's with ravens since you can't damage them unless the zerg makes a booboo. So you use thor viking to get to the later stages and then transition into ravens when you're filthy rich and not in immediate danger of dying to a frontal assault.
You reply to that by passively agressively implying he has never played SC2 before. How are you the victim here?
The elitism on TL is only bad if you compare it to free for all unmoderated forums where everyone considers themselves god. If you compare it to a real life situation it's really not that weird to value a dentist's opinion higher than a lawyer's when it concerns your teeth.
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On January 25 2015 03:23 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism. can you please show me where he gave me a useful reply? i am so sick of the tl elitism. where can i post about this issue?
For you to receive a useful reply, your first statement has to be useful to begin with. Which was
a) unreasonably aggressive, no clue if you have a background with him but for me it sounds like completely out of the blue have you ever played sc2 before?
b) it's not that hard to understand why he writes that you cannot kill mutas with ravens directly (assuming a good level of play). PDDs don't kill mutas, you need something that actually shoots them with it as he suggests turrets, thors, vikings. Autoturrets can kill mutas, yet you need quite big turretfields which takes space, energy, micro and additional PDDs to protect the Ravens. So outside the exotic and rare endgame of already having 50ravens and killing bases with enough autoturrets that mutas shouldn't engage it is not that far-fetched to say "you don't kill mutas with auto-turrets".
Which leaves Seeker missiles. As avilo and others have pointed out, mutas can easily outrun seeker missiles. So the Ravens won't do any damage to mutalisks when on their own and you're just depleting your energy. Especially, the mutas can run into the ravens and make the Seekers go off on your own ravens, so it is risky to seeker to begin with. And at a decent level (diamond plus) with enough experience, it is actually not even unheard of to just pull out the single targeted "RED" mutalisk and into the ravens (or away from the combat), while all the other mutas keep on fighting.
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On January 24 2015 20:26 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 20:18 Koivusto wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? Well you started your own argument with "Have you ever played sc2 before?"...Anyway I think Terran has it good in gold/plat level against mutas.I play toss and I constantly find it impossible to fend off mutas without phoenixes even though my games are far from the highest level  EDIT: Not impossible but reaaally hard i think its harder with toss because you have less range and need to be more active. terran can also set up mines, but stalker or storm are just not the same thing as thors or vikings anti air
I like templar to defend versus muta switch. 1-2 archon in a mineral line with a storm in backup let you enough time to warp-in/blink enough stalkers. Of course that's only if your stargate is very far away, phoenix or mass 3/3 stalker seems the only real answers. In general I stay very low on static, compared to turrets a cannon doesn't have the range, compared to spore it doesn't have the DPS and I find they "block" the ground pathing more than anything.
If nothing works you can always rely on BMing you opponent until he GG.
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no, please teach me sensei.
xD
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On January 24 2015 20:26 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 20:18 Koivusto wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? Well you started your own argument with "Have you ever played sc2 before?"...Anyway I think Terran has it good in gold/plat level against mutas.I play toss and I constantly find it impossible to fend off mutas without phoenixes even though my games are far from the highest level EDIT: Not impossible but reaaally hard i think its harder with toss because you have less range and need to be more active. terran can also set up mines, but stalker or storm are just not the same thing as thors or vikings anti air
You should keep in mind who you are trying to argue with granite as Koivusto points out.
Iaguz has far more experience, and while his response was not the best way around it, you really should show a little more respect when responding and not saying "have you ever played sc2 before?".
Sure you can scare the flock away with seekers, but you can't rely on them to kill things. Iaguz is correct, against a good zerg (meaning if you wish to play optimally) you use the PDDs so the other units can kill the mutas, its much more energy efficient.
If they really commit, and its lower level, sure, use the seekers but its a poor use of energy considering the payout for it.
On January 25 2015 03:23 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism. can you please show me where he gave me a useful reply? i am so sick of the tl elitism. where can i post about this issue?
Here:
On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts
On January 24 2015 17:27 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Well, the mass raven style in tvz is generally is about taking the game in two stages. Stage one is securing roughly half the map and adding as much defence there as to become invincible, especially when combined with mass Raven PDD. When you zerg cannot attack you, you move into stage 2 which is slowly creeping forwards with tanks and ravens and stuff, constantly picking away at his stuff until he runs out of money. Should take an hour or until the zerg runds out of patience.
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On January 25 2015 07:43 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 20:26 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 20:18 Koivusto wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? Well you started your own argument with "Have you ever played sc2 before?"...Anyway I think Terran has it good in gold/plat level against mutas.I play toss and I constantly find it impossible to fend off mutas without phoenixes even though my games are far from the highest level EDIT: Not impossible but reaaally hard i think its harder with toss because you have less range and need to be more active. terran can also set up mines, but stalker or storm are just not the same thing as thors or vikings anti air You should keep in mind who you are trying to argue with granite as Koivusto points out.
What does his name or skill have to do with his knowledge? Is it perfect because he is a "pro"? Yesterday I saw Nerchio with 0 upgrades in a 20 min game, pros make mistakes too.
Of course the cynical question was not my point of argument but it gave you guys an opening to just attack me instead of discussing, and that is the problem. iaguz also responded to my post with a post that added nothing to the discussion while you can also find that in every one of my posts.
On January 25 2015 07:43 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 03:23 graNite wrote:On January 25 2015 03:12 Saechiis wrote:On January 25 2015 02:42 LongShot27 wrote:On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? He's on Root a shit attitude is required Can we please not verbally assault one of the few people on TL who knows what he's talking about when it comes to world class level SC2? And graNite, somewhere you have to realise that it's extremely stupid to ask a professional SC player whether he has "ever played sc2 before?" after he gives you a useful reply and then to chastise him for not being able to have a discussion when he returns your cynicism. can you please show me where he gave me a useful reply? i am so sick of the tl elitism. where can i post about this issue? Here: + Show Spoiler +On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts On January 24 2015 17:27 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Well, the mass raven style in tvz is generally is about taking the game in two stages. Stage one is securing roughly half the map and adding as much defence there as to become invincible, especially when combined with mass Raven PDD. When you zerg cannot attack you, you move into stage 2 which is slowly creeping forwards with tanks and ravens and stuff, constantly picking away at his stuff until he runs out of money. Should take an hour or until the zerg runds out of patience.
The question was: can you show me where he gave me a useful reply, one that responded to my posts. You just quoted his other posts. He is not discussing, that was my point.
I was asked by Saechiis to not react that way after he gave me a useful reply, but he didnt.
Moreover you didnt answer my question where to post about this issue and just give me a warning because i didnt treat him like you want me to. Why are you not discussing? Why is he not? Becuse its easier to just give warnings to everyone who disagrees? this is the strategy forum, not the "ask the pros" board.
Instead, you give me a warning for telling him that he didnt respond in a way that adds something to the discussion.
If you tell me about respecting someone, why dont you respect my opinion about the raven use in tvz instead of just saying: he is a pro, he knows better. i am here to discuss, not to be told what to straight up believe only because of a nickname.
On January 25 2015 07:43 ZeromuS wrote:
Sure you can scare the flock away with seekers, but you can't rely on them to kill things. Iaguz is correct, against a good zerg (meaning if you wish to play optimally) you use the PDDs so the other units can kill the mutas, its much more energy efficient.
The only relevant part of your post in terms of "adding something to the discussion". You can rely on the HSM because it either hits or the mutas fly away. There is no way something else happens so you either kill the flock, kill some mutas in case the zerg splits well or he just flies away. In that case you won time, space, ideally fight the rest of his army.
Also dont forget OP is in gold league where you have overgas in the late game as T all the time because there is no other way to spend gas in Bio vs Z than with ravens. And the opponent probably will not be able to split the mutas and you can hit an HSM or two while he is not watching the army.
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On January 24 2015 17:47 Liman wrote:
In theory you can kill infinite number of mutas with 2-3 seeker missiles if they are bunched up :D
I miss the archon toilet.
And if you're playing SC2, you're limited to 100 Mutalisks.
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