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So I'm in gold league and I'm doing ok but my TvZ needs work. I went Bio and got rolled so in the next game against Zerg I decided to go Mech (I haven't played in a few months and I got placed in gold so I have only had 2 matches against zerg since I started again).
I was doing great, winning exchanges, gaining map control, ripping through the creep tumors. All was going swimmingly and the Zerg knew he had to change something up. And then it happens. The un-scouted spire and the Mutaball. Now I destroyed about half of the initial Mutaflock with two seeker missles from my trusty ravens but I only had two ravens at the time, I feel like if I had 6-7 I would have easily won this game and dismantled this Zerg slowely and efficiently.
I don't feel like Vikings are the best choice to counter Mutas when I know that the Mutas aren't going to base race me. That being said if they attacked at home, Vikings could get there much faster, but I did have a few turrets up that would buy me some time to get back home. The detection the Ravens gave me early game saved me from burrowing roach gimmicks and I really like Ravens in general so I feel like I'm going to stick with them against Zerg over Vikings or other AA unless you guys convince me I'm totally wrong.
So what do ya say? Maybe add a few more Ravens and be good to go?
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You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts
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Ok, I will give that build a try  He went Roach/Hydra but I was lacking AA and ripping his ground army to pieces, so he did the quick switch and the only thing that hurt them for me was my two Ravens. I will add Vikings earlier against Zerg for this build. It is pretty safe to assume that a Gold level Zerg will at some point have a Mutaball.
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Well, the mass raven style in tvz is generally is about taking the game in two stages. Stage one is securing roughly half the map and adding as much defence there as to become invincible, especially when combined with mass Raven PDD. When you zerg cannot attack you, you move into stage 2 which is slowly creeping forwards with tanks and ravens and stuff, constantly picking away at his stuff until he runs out of money. Should take an hour or until the zerg runds out of patience.
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I feel like I have seen Avilo do this? My only question is how do I ensure they don't come in the backdoor with mutas or nydus and base race? But I guess having a lot of missel turrets in key positions back home will keep them out. Setup the turrets, Ravens with PDD, and initiate phase 2.
Also, thank you for the help.
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In theory you can kill infinite number of mutas with 2-3 seeker missiles if they are bunched up :D
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On January 24 2015 17:47 Liman wrote:
In theory you can kill infinite number of mutas with 2-3 seeker missile if they are bunched up :D
Lol I almost did That's why I was thinking like I wanted more Ravens for offensive capability but a good Zerg wouldn't allow that
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On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts
have you ever played sc2 before?
with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses.
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On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses.
Lol, I like the fact that u are lecturing a pro.
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On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:
have you ever played sc2 before?
Ummm...this may be awkward, but I think he has...
On topic, turrets are definitely the way to go, and reliable AA rather than ravens (thors and/or viking). Also, keep in mind that mutas can never engage mech, particularly once that mech army has a few ravens for PDD, so you can always opt to put down 5000 turrets and win the base trade
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On January 24 2015 18:48 OMGIMNestea wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. Lol, I like the fact that u are lecturing a pro.
he is not even top100 world. also the individual skill has only indirectly to do with theorycrafting. otherwise artosis would be way higher on the ladder.
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On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses.
no, please teach me sensei.
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On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts
Iaguz you r the best ♥ gl in wcs!
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On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei.
made my day :D
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On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei.
is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude?
User was warned for this post
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On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude?
Well you started your own argument with "Have you ever played sc2 before?"...Anyway I think Terran has it good in gold/plat level against mutas.I play toss and I constantly find it impossible to fend off mutas without phoenixes even though my games are far from the highest level 
EDIT: Not impossible but reaaally hard
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On January 24 2015 20:18 Koivusto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 19:54 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 19:32 ROOTiaguz wrote:On January 24 2015 18:10 graNite wrote:On January 24 2015 16:47 ROOTiaguz wrote:
You don't kill Mutalisks with ravens unless the Zerg is really dumb. You kill mutalisks with viking thor turret all behind a shield of mass PDD's so they take no damage. That's what ravens do in mech; they make all ur shit invincible with PDD plus they seeker missile out swarm hosts have you ever played sc2 before? with ravens you can defend your base with the auto turrets and pdd really well, also single hsms scare the flock away. if you are at 10+ raven you can constanstly cast 1-2 missles and force the mutas away or they take huge losses. no, please teach me sensei. is this your full ability to discuss? this is a strategy forum, what are you doing here with this attitude? Well you started your own argument with "Have you ever played sc2 before?"...Anyway I think Terran has it good in gold/plat level against mutas.I play toss and I constantly find it impossible to fend off mutas without phoenixes even though my games are far from the highest level EDIT: Not impossible but reaaally hard
i think its harder with toss because you have less range and need to be more active. terran can also set up mines, but stalker or storm are just not the same thing as thors or vikings anti air
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Even though Ravens might not be the most optimal solution to mutas, you could still continue using them to counter mutas just for the sake of practice. A gold player that is good with ravens won't be a gold player for too long Meanwhile I need to learn how to play with phoenixes.
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You only launch 1-2 seeker missiles at mutas, just to make them run away. Just takes experience to recognize if the Zerg is going to commit his mutas to the fight in which case you can launch more and split your vikings+ravens and juke the mutas while throwing out PDDs.
You never really wanna waste raven energy on seekers vs decent Zergs tho...they'll never go off
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