• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:25
CET 23:25
KST 07:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War List of top players active on ShieldBattery Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc Deus Ex 3!?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Playlenda
Playlendapro
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9465 users

[D] TVZ FlaSh/Bbyong's Hellions runby+Marine drops

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
freeAll
Profile Joined May 2013
34 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 12:26:15
September 03 2014 13:00 GMT
#1
Recently I watched many korean Terrans such as FlaSh, Bbyong, Cure and Journey using this build against Zerg. Snute was also caught by suprise during IEM Toronto Quarterfinals.

The idea is quite simple, 1 Reaper Expand then 4-6 Marines to deny scout. Later utilize Reaper and Hellions to scout, harass and try to burn down creeps, lings or even Queens. ~7:30 attack with 8 Marines drop and 4 (sometimes more) Hellions runby.

Firstly I saw this on Journey's stream where he built ~8 Hellions to do a runby on Nimbus, then Bbyong vs Revolution in RBBG qualifiers and FlaSh against Scarlett and Snute in IEM Toronto. I think it's a new available regular opening in TVZ.

*EDIT: Optimized the Build Order refering to IMBAbuild format thanks to SC2John's advice.
*EDIT2: Add Mutations of this build refering to GSL CODES RO16 Group D.[/i]

Build Order (A mixture of FlaSh and Bbyong's build by myself lol)

12 - Rax (train single Reaper then Reactor)
12 - Gas
17 - CC
19 - Factory

@100% Reaper, start Reactor on Rax
@Reactor finishes, train 4 Marines, then swap off the Factory onto Reator and keep training Marines to totally 8.
@Factory should build 4 Hellions - 2 Mines - 2 Hellions before 7:30
@100% Factory, start Starport (*better deep in the main)
@100% First two Hellions, Pull them (and the others 2 later) with the reaper to spot if there's a 3rd and harass.
@100% Starport, build Medivac and 1 Viking
@100% Medivac, start Tech lab on Rax.

Benchmark: when the first Medivac pumps out, you should have 1 Reaper, 4 Hellions, 7-8 Marines.

Pull out with 1 Reaper, 7-8 Marines, 1 Medivac and 4 Hellions, drop 8 Marines in Zerg's main or nature while Hellions runby at his 3rd (hit ~7:30).

Burrow two mines on your ramp when you scout some kind of All-in otherwise lay them where Zerg would pass through.

@100% 4 Hellions - 2 Mines - 2 Hellions, lift the Factory and start another Reactor and 2 Rax.(~8:00)
@100% 2 Rax, swap them off onto Factory's Reactor start 4,5th Rax (add on Reactor). Start a new Reactor on Factory to build Widow Mines
@100% 4,5th Rax, start 2 Reactors.

KEY Timings

~6:20 - 2nd Gas
~7:15 - 3rd
~7:40 - Stim
~8:00 - Rax*2
~9:00 - Reactor on Starport
~9:30 - 3rd & 4th Gas
~10:00 - Double EBays

Tips

·Reaper should stay at the top of the ramp in case of a Zergling runby.

·4 Marines should stay at the edge of your main in order to deny Overlord scout.

·Your drop and runby should permenantly focus on killing Drones.

·Keep A-moving around the whole map with the Viking to snipe the Overlord, Zerg could do nothing till Mutas pump out.

Pros and Cons

This build could do a gigantic damage to Zerg's economy, the Multitask will make Zerg very busy to deal with your drop and runby, let alone that you could still pick your units with Medivac and keep him under your pressure. The single Viking will NOT be countered until Mutas pumps out, which also gives economic and productive hit to Zerg.

It, however, is vulnerable against some All-ins such as Mass Roaches when you are not well prepared. But if you make a good scout with your drop and runby, you could react properly in time, Start 2-3 Bunkers to strengthen your defence. The 2 Widow Mines, Stim and Medivac are also very helpful. Don't forget to pull the SCVs when it's necessary.

Replays

FlaSh vs Snute: http://spawningtool.com/13938/
FlaSh vs Scarlett: http://spawningtool.com/13919/
Bbyong vs Revolution: http://spawningtool.com/13659/

Mutation 1: Banshee======================================================================

Build Order

+ Show Spoiler +


12 - Rax (train single Reaper then Reactor)
12 - Gas
17 - CC
19 - Factory

@100% Reaper, start Reactor on Rax
@Reactor finishes, train 4 Marines, then swap off the Factory onto Reator and keep training Marines to totally 8.
@Factory should build 8 Hellions
@100% Factory, start Starport (*better deep in the main)
@100% First two Hellions, Pull them (and the others 2 later) with the reaper to spot if there's a 3rd and harass.
@100% Starport, build Medivac.
@100% Medivac, start Tech lab on Rax and Starport.

Benchmark: when the first Medivac pumps out, you should have 1 Reaper, 4 Hellions, 7-8 Marines.

Pull out with 1 Reaper, 7-8 Marines, 1 Medivac and 4 Hellions, drop 8 Marines in Zerg's main or nature while Hellions runby at his 3rd (hit ~7:30). Rally the others Hellions in Zerg's bases.

@100% Tech lab on Starport, start Cloak, 2 Banshees and 1 Viking
@100% Tech lab on Rax, start Stim and keep training Marines.
@100% Viking, start Reactor on Starport.

KEY Timings

~6:20 2nd Gas
~7:00 Tech Lab on Rax
~8:00 Stim
~8:40 3rd, Double Ebays, start Reactor on Factory
~9:30 3rd and 4th Gas, Rax*4.



Pros and Cons

This mutation is a natural counter against Roaches and Baneling All-in due to 2 Banshees and potential Widow Mines. However, it requires a lot of Micro and delay significently Medivacs, 3rd and Units Production. You must be sure your attack deal a huge damage to Zerg so he couldn't simply surpass you with economic and units supply advantage.

VOD

FlaSh did this to soO in the matches of GSL CODES RO16 Group D.

vs soO, FlaSh's build and harassment was actually perfect but due to lack of micro in the engagement he lost in the end.

http://www.twitch.tv/gsl/b/565364104

Mutation 2: Hellbat=======================================================================

Build Order

+ Show Spoiler +


12 - Rax (train single Reaper then Reactor)
12 - Gas
17 - CC
19 - Factory

@100% Reaper, start Reactor on Rax
@Reactor finishes, train 4 Marines, then swap off the Factory onto Reator and keep training Marines to totally 8.
@Factory should build 6-8 Hellions
@100% Factory, start Starport (*better deep in the main)
@100% First two Hellions, Pull them (and the others 2 later) with the reaper to spot if there's a 3rd and harass.

~4:30 2nd Gas
~6:00 start Armory

@100% Starport, build Medivac and 1 Viking
@100% Medivac, start Tech lab on Rax.

Benchmark: when the first Medivac pumps out, you should have 1 Reaper, 4 Hellions, 7-8 Marines.

Pull out with 1 Reaper, 7-8 Marines, 1 Medivac and 4 Hellions, drop 8 Marines in Zerg's main or nature while Hellions runby at his 3rd (hit ~7:30). Rally the others Hellions in Zerg's bases.

The Armory will be finished as soon as you hit Zerg's base, transform your Hellions into Hellbat and Burn them down to hell!



VOD

FlaSh did this to TRUE in the matches of GSL CODES RO16 Group D.

vs TRUE, FlaSh perfectly excecuted his build and instantly kill Zerg.

http://www.twitch.tv/gsl/b/565356338

Conclusion: Maps

The Original Build is almost available in every map of the current ladder.
On Maps like Merry Go Round and Foxtrot Labs where Banshee could do a lot of damage the Banshee build is favorable.
On Maps like Overgrowth and Deadwing where Chokes are small and Hellbat could not be easily surrounded the Hellbat is perferred.

I know there might be a lot of mistakes in my summary so if you have any questions or advises, plz share with me and the community
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany475 Posts
September 03 2014 13:09 GMT
#2
My Brother plays this since... like... forever?! :D
Well he's only diamond and sure he probably won't have the perfect build order but he has the same idea of playing.
Also he always ebay-blocks the natural of the zerg (on 2 player maps) to confuse him
Have a nice day!
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
September 03 2014 13:19 GMT
#3
it's actually taeja's build, he first started using it in his WCS premier group against both hendralisk and that chinese zerg i forget his name
Sc2 Terran Coach, top 16GM NA - interested in coaching? Message me on teamliquid!
freeAll
Profile Joined May 2013
34 Posts
September 03 2014 13:22 GMT
#4
On September 03 2014 22:19 EJK wrote:
it's actually taeja's build, he first started using it in his WCS premier group against both hendralisk and that chinese zerg i forget his name


ye Heart also did this against XiGua but kinda different
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 13:41:16
September 03 2014 13:40 GMT
#5
wrong thread
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
September 03 2014 13:57 GMT
#6
Yes this is taejas build.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
Desive
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain13 Posts
September 03 2014 16:18 GMT
#7
are you able to hold the 1-1 roach push with this build? everytime I have tried this build i die to that ;_;
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
September 03 2014 18:54 GMT
#8
Please tag threads in the future.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 03 2014 19:09 GMT
#9
On September 03 2014 22:19 EJK wrote:
it's actually taeja's build, he first started using it in his WCS premier group against both hendralisk and that chinese zerg i forget his name


On September 03 2014 22:57 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Yes this is taejas build.


On September 04 2014 01:18 Desive wrote:
are you able to hold the 1-1 roach push with this build? everytime I have tried this build i die to that ;_;


Let's not get too much into semantics here. TaeJa has definitely used it a lot more. He used it also to great effect against Violet at the Quarterfinals of IEM:



As a bonus, you get to hear Nathanias talk about TaeJa using it in WCS as well, so we can take it a bit more as fact. As you can see, violet goes roaches in this game (and I think Snute did one game against Flash too on this same map), and it gets shut down super hard because TaeJa deals so much damage and transitions very smoothly.


Quick note to the OP: If you want to post something like this, post an introduction -> replays/VoDs -> build -> explanation of build, much like I do the SC2 notes. Also, put your build order in [ list] format instead of in spoilers. Also, try to follow a build order format like IMBAbuilds.com, which has a very nice and professional format. It looks a lot better and makes your post look like you really know what you're talking about (those damn pinstripes!).
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
freeAll
Profile Joined May 2013
34 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 01:02:11
September 04 2014 01:01 GMT
#10
On September 04 2014 01:18 Desive wrote:
are you able to hold the 1-1 roach push with this build? everytime I have tried this build i die to that ;_;


Widow Mines and at least 3 Bunkers. When Roaches hit u should already get Medivacs and Stim, if u macro well u would have enough to defend that.

AND THANK YOU SC2JOHN FOR THE ADVICE!!
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 01:30:33
September 04 2014 01:30 GMT
#11
It's cool until Zergs remember that they can easily wall off in front, and make a swell of lings around that time instead of constant drones
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
B-rye88
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada168 Posts
September 04 2014 16:54 GMT
#12
On September 04 2014 10:30 Jer99 wrote:
It's cool until Zergs remember that they can easily wall off in front, and make a swell of lings around that time instead of constant drones


At this point you've done economic damage by forcing lings with minimal losses, as your hellions can disengage and you can pickup your drop pretty easily. Seems like a good time to put pressure on their third by putting your hellions and your drop in their mineral line after as well.
TheScriptan
Profile Joined June 2014
Lithuania152 Posts
September 04 2014 17:22 GMT
#13
On September 03 2014 22:19 EJK wrote:
it's actually taeja's build, he first started using it in his WCS premier group against both hendralisk and that chinese zerg i forget his name

It's actually Flash build, Taeja copied it from him.
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-04 23:05:50
September 04 2014 23:05 GMT
#14
On September 05 2014 02:22 TheScriptan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 22:19 EJK wrote:
it's actually taeja's build, he first started using it in his WCS premier group against both hendralisk and that chinese zerg i forget his name

It's actually Flash build, Taeja copied it from him.

when i asked taeja at redbull detroit, he said flash copied it from him and that it was his (taeja's) build
Sc2 Terran Coach, top 16GM NA - interested in coaching? Message me on teamliquid!
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
September 04 2014 23:35 GMT
#15
On September 05 2014 08:05 EJK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 02:22 TheScriptan wrote:
On September 03 2014 22:19 EJK wrote:
it's actually taeja's build, he first started using it in his WCS premier group against both hendralisk and that chinese zerg i forget his name

It's actually Flash build, Taeja copied it from him.

when i asked taeja at redbull detroit, he said flash copied it from him and that it was his (taeja's) build


actually bomber made this build (saw on stream) and both taeja and flash copied it from him
missicbc
Profile Joined September 2014
Algeria3 Posts
September 05 2014 10:02 GMT
#16
--- Nuked ---
freeAll
Profile Joined May 2013
34 Posts
September 05 2014 16:16 GMT
#17
I optimized the Build Order refering to IMBAbuild format thanks to SC2John's advice and add Mutations of this build refering to GSL CODES RO16 Group D. Plz come and discuss
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
06:20
Best Games of SC
MaxPax vs Clem
SHIN vs TBD
herO vs TBD
PiGStarcraft449
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL
05:00
RO24 Group F
Cross vs Puma
Artosis vs Spine
ZZZero.O323
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft449
IndyStarCraft 192
Ketroc 54
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 323
Terrorterran 9
League of Legends
Doublelift4049
JimRising 523
Counter-Strike
jkaem77
Other Games
gofns12736
summit1g11331
tarik_tv5686
Grubby2991
Liquid`RaSZi1967
singsing1503
Liquid`Hasu450
syndereN170
XaKoH 127
C9.Mang0102
NeuroSwarm59
Railgan33
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick775
BasetradeTV116
Counter-Strike
PGL63
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 92
• musti20045 47
• Adnapsc2 16
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3828
• Jankos3769
• Scarra453
Other Games
• imaqtpie892
• Shiphtur168
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
35m
Replay Cast
1d
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 13h
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
IPSL
5 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-06
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.