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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 11:55:12
July 01 2014 11:54 GMT
#41
On July 01 2014 11:21 stuchiu wrote:
That wall isn't zergling proof. The trick is to pray to Hyvaa and make 70 speedlings and attack.


You can pray to Shine. It doubles the number of lings ! or pray July and bring your drones with it
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 01 2014 12:17 GMT
#42
On July 01 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 11:21 stuchiu wrote:
That wall isn't zergling proof. The trick is to pray to Hyvaa and make 70 speedlings and attack.


You can pray to Shine. It doubles the number of lings ! or pray July and bring your drones with it

Yes, but if you pray to July, you will also have to headbutt into Force Fields for their whole duration, or until all of your units are dead.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
July 01 2014 12:20 GMT
#43
On July 01 2014 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 01 2014 11:21 stuchiu wrote:
That wall isn't zergling proof. The trick is to pray to Hyvaa and make 70 speedlings and attack.


You can pray to Shine. It doubles the number of lings ! or pray July and bring your drones with it

Yes, but if you pray to July, you will also have to headbutt into Force Fields for their whole duration, or until all of your units are dead.


Maybe Bisu would be in awe then
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13412 Posts
July 01 2014 13:44 GMT
#44
On July 01 2014 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 01 2014 11:21 stuchiu wrote:
That wall isn't zergling proof. The trick is to pray to Hyvaa and make 70 speedlings and attack.


You can pray to Shine. It doubles the number of lings ! or pray July and bring your drones with it

Yes, but if you pray to July, you will also have to headbutt into Force Fields for their whole duration, or until all of your units are dead.


Thats Leenock, not July. July played when people missed their forcefields.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 14:17:37
July 01 2014 14:16 GMT
#45
On July 01 2014 22:44 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 01 2014 11:21 stuchiu wrote:
That wall isn't zergling proof. The trick is to pray to Hyvaa and make 70 speedlings and attack.


You can pray to Shine. It doubles the number of lings ! or pray July and bring your drones with it

Yes, but if you pray to July, you will also have to headbutt into Force Fields for their whole duration, or until all of your units are dead.


Thats Leenock, not July. July played when people missed their forcefields.

Nah, I actually remember a lot of his games where he just headbutt into Force Fields until he literally loses the game :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
July 01 2014 14:28 GMT
#46
On July 01 2014 23:16 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 22:44 ZeromuS wrote:
On July 01 2014 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 01 2014 11:21 stuchiu wrote:
That wall isn't zergling proof. The trick is to pray to Hyvaa and make 70 speedlings and attack.


You can pray to Shine. It doubles the number of lings ! or pray July and bring your drones with it

Yes, but if you pray to July, you will also have to headbutt into Force Fields for their whole duration, or until all of your units are dead.


Thats Leenock, not July. July played when people missed their forcefields.

Nah, I actually remember a lot of his games where he just headbutt into Force Fields until he literally loses the game :D


Xel naga caverns ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 01 2014 14:29 GMT
#47
On July 01 2014 23:28 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 23:16 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 01 2014 22:44 ZeromuS wrote:
On July 01 2014 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 01 2014 11:21 stuchiu wrote:
That wall isn't zergling proof. The trick is to pray to Hyvaa and make 70 speedlings and attack.


You can pray to Shine. It doubles the number of lings ! or pray July and bring your drones with it

Yes, but if you pray to July, you will also have to headbutt into Force Fields for their whole duration, or until all of your units are dead.


Thats Leenock, not July. July played when people missed their forcefields.

Nah, I actually remember a lot of his games where he just headbutt into Force Fields until he literally loses the game :D


Xel naga caverns ?

There was some on Xel'Naga Caverns, can't remember against who though... ^^
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 14:37:19
July 01 2014 14:36 GMT
#48
On July 01 2014 23:29 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 23:28 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 01 2014 23:16 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 01 2014 22:44 ZeromuS wrote:
On July 01 2014 21:17 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:54 FFW_Rude wrote:
On July 01 2014 11:21 stuchiu wrote:
That wall isn't zergling proof. The trick is to pray to Hyvaa and make 70 speedlings and attack.


You can pray to Shine. It doubles the number of lings ! or pray July and bring your drones with it

Yes, but if you pray to July, you will also have to headbutt into Force Fields for their whole duration, or until all of your units are dead.


Thats Leenock, not July. July played when people missed their forcefields.

Nah, I actually remember a lot of his games where he just headbutt into Force Fields until he literally loses the game :D


Xel naga caverns ?

There was some on Xel'Naga Caverns, can't remember against who though... ^^


I remember a game on this map where he played against i think it was protoss (not sure) and he stayd on 25drones the whole game smashing armies again and again and again.

StarSix tournament ? Starwars6 tournament ? Something like that.

God we are offtopic and should stop :p
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
July 01 2014 15:31 GMT
#49
Really cool write up! Can't wait for the new maps, except for Deadwing.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Jowj
Profile Joined June 2012
United States248 Posts
July 01 2014 18:16 GMT
#50
On July 01 2014 14:00 Tilea wrote:
The 4hatch build which I did (and which was very similar/identical to what KawaiiRice did) is kind of significantly different from that. From just looking at that I don't feel like I would like it as much (though I've also never done it) - but 4hatch before pool is definitely something which can be done at higher/more competitive levels of play. I did it in WCS v Illusion, as well as regularly doing it in ZvT/P in high masters Korean ladder @_@


I'd *love* to get your feedback on the build because I didn't have anything close to recent vods/replays of someone 4hatching so I had to adapt it myself with feedback from Terran practice partners. PM me or whatever if you have time =D.
Strategy
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
July 01 2014 21:26 GMT
#51
I can really appreciate the work done here, thanks for doing it
Refer to my post.
Picasso
Profile Joined October 2013
Korea (South)52 Posts
July 01 2014 21:50 GMT
#52
really appreciate a post like this! These kinds of constructive analyses and strategies are what I'm used to from TL. Keep it up
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
July 01 2014 22:28 GMT
#53
is the pvz ffe into triple nexus legit. I think even hatch -> pool will be able to get zerglings in toss base before full wall is up.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 01:47:15
July 02 2014 01:33 GMT
#54
On July 02 2014 07:28 Xinzoe wrote:
is the pvz ffe into triple nexus legit. I think even hatch -> pool will be able to get zerglings in toss base before full wall is up.


In cross positions, the wall is completely up with a cannon before the lings can get there on a 14/14. However, fairly early baneling busts or roach plays just completely destroy this, especially if the Protoss opts for the third nexus before extra gateways (which you can scout with your overlord). I imagine a roach/nydus could also work well with the plethora of vision that Protoss has to have in order to see everything, not to mention the backdoor hallway which can't be stopped.

All in all, I think it's a metagame move to go triple nexus, much like it's a counter metagame move to do a baneling bust or a roach all-in. Most likely, in pro play and on the ladder, this will probably settle into a fairly normal opening from both players.

EDIT: If you're talking about slowlings, yeah, it's possible to get into the main base before the wall is up, but again, that's a metagame move and assumes that you're not checking around your bases for proxies or cannons or anything (which could actually mean you're just bad as well); you would literally have to run them straight to his base without stopping.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13412 Posts
July 02 2014 01:42 GMT
#55
On July 02 2014 10:33 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 07:28 Xinzoe wrote:
is the pvz ffe into triple nexus legit. I think even hatch -> pool will be able to get zerglings in toss base before full wall is up.


In cross positions, the wall is completely up with a cannon before the lings can get there on a 14/14. However, fairly early baneling busts or roach plays just completely destroy this, especially if the Protoss opts for the third nexus before extra gateways (which you can scout with your overlord). I imagine a roach/nydus could also work well with the plethora of vision that Protoss has to have in order to see everything, not to mention the backdoor hallway which can't be stopped.

All in all, I think it's a metagame move to go triple nexus, much like it's a counter metagame move to do a baneling bust or a roach all-in. Most likely, in pro play and on the ladder, this will probably settle into a fairly normal opening from both players.


Well, it can be adjusted like any other FFE. I mean, if you scout something early you just wall in quicker, since it uses all the same building numbers and types as on any other map.

Remember the one game you went super fast speed vs me? I just walled in before the nexus and you couldn't make it in to my base. Then I had a pretty darn safe rest of my base.

Your super fast baneling bust really hit me hard though. Honestly, IMO the biggest issues for FFE on this map the way I show it here (aside from the usual very early pools vs FFE which happens on any map) is some sort of very aggressive roach play on the rocks leading into the natural, followed by many speedlings at the FFE wall. Since this map more than any other if you FFE this way opens up the option of multi pronged attacks much earlier against the spread out Protoss. The main to third distance afterall is pretty big.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa989 Posts
July 02 2014 08:30 GMT
#56
Thanks for the nice article
The only known Reverend on TL playing SC2 and BW (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409226)
subtlerevolution
Profile Joined June 2014
France37 Posts
July 02 2014 10:43 GMT
#57
ty ZeromuS
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 11:10:49
July 02 2014 11:10 GMT
#58
to be honest i come here not to watch the maps (which i already know) but just to read all the whines in this thread teamliquid starts to being a funny site xD

nice maps btw ^^
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13412 Posts
July 02 2014 13:08 GMT
#59
On July 02 2014 19:43 subtlerevolution wrote:
ty ZeromuS


Don't thank me it was a team effort. If any one person deserves the thanks it plexa, hes been working really hard on making community maps a bigger part of our scene.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
subtlerevolution
Profile Joined June 2014
France37 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-02 14:31:07
July 02 2014 14:30 GMT
#60
Thank you Plexa

edit: thank you to all involved, vital and hard subject matter to tackle
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