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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
August 18 2014 14:38 GMT
#481
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Socup
Profile Joined June 2014
190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 22:40:23
August 18 2014 22:21 GMT
#482
On August 18 2014 16:14 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2014 07:32 Socup wrote:
Zerg is largely immune to this because the hatches and injects being able to overdrone after shutting down an all in, or the fact that Zerg has closed the holes in the timings means that Protoss no longer even try vs Zerg, which means there's no making early units for Zerg to begin with.


What ?... May I know what level are you ? Cauz I can guarantee you, you still see them in GM meaning it's still viable.


When's the last time an early game protoss all in has killed a zerg in pro play?

On August 18 2014 20:30 Teoita wrote:
Macro builds have tight timings to hit as well; the problem with them is that they are generally much more complex (so harder to execute correctly).



Funny stuff. Any macro build has within them designs to hold off early game aggression because there's no point in going macro if you just straight up die to some early game aggression or all in every time, and because of that, because of the exponential rewards of going macro, the person who goes macro and gets "more stuff" and holds off that all in has basically won right then and there. Unless the other player was Protoss of course.

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There's no reason blizzard can't release new units or fixes to a game without creating another costly "expansion" you've already paid 100$ for, unless they want to treadmill the gambler with future promises of "it gets better"
-HuShang-
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada393 Posts
August 20 2014 15:33 GMT
#483
On August 19 2014 07:21 Socup wrote:
When's the last time an early game protoss all in has killed a zerg in pro play?


yesterday when I was watching the redbull/iem qualifier replays ^^

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Gaskal
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada241 Posts
August 21 2014 14:44 GMT
#484
Avenge went "What the hell, let's give the 'kill-a-zerg' build a try" and stole a map because of it. Great job Book of Protoss Bullshit!
"Get all the money, build all the units...kill the other guy"
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-21 17:31:34
August 21 2014 17:31 GMT
#485
On August 21 2014 00:33 -HuShang- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 07:21 Socup wrote:
When's the last time an early game protoss all in has killed a zerg in pro play?


yesterday when I was watching the redbull/iem qualifier replays ^^



Snute also died to a weird 2-2-2 from Patience. However, that can be granted to some extent to Snute's decision to base trade, which may or may not have been optimal.
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DuckloadBlackra
Profile Joined July 2011
225 Posts
August 23 2014 02:44 GMT
#486
Is it just me or the Tasteless build vs terran never works at all? Every time my oracle comes in they either have a widow mine in mineral line already that one shots the oracle or a missle turret and plenty of marines. From there they just make mines/marine/viking/turret/bunker and hold the all in easily

I'm hitting the timings correctly too.

I think I'll stick to my normal vs terran lol
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
August 23 2014 09:56 GMT
#487
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-23 11:26:41
August 23 2014 11:26 GMT
#488
Yeah this particular proxy oracle isn't subtle at all. If you could find a way to make 3 pylons in your main and still proxy the stargate at the same time (i guess by sending out the probe later and maybe cutting a couple of probes?) it would be a good deal harder to scout.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Svizcy
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovenia300 Posts
August 23 2014 11:47 GMT
#489
On August 23 2014 20:26 Teoita wrote:
Yeah this particular proxy oracle isn't subtle at all. If you could find a way to make 3 pylons in your main and still proxy the stargate at the same time (i guess by sending out the probe later and maybe cutting a couple of probes?) it would be a good deal harder to scout.


Yes i guess you could cut 2 probes and overbuild 1 pylon, so that it would feel normal when terran scouts it.
I am wondering thou, if just a normal 4-gate wouldnt be more effective build to use, simply because you could fake a 1-gate expand, and build 3 more gates when reaper leaves?
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
August 23 2014 11:48 GMT
#490
On August 23 2014 11:44 DuckloadBlackra wrote:
Is it just me or the Tasteless build vs terran never works at all? Every time my oracle comes in they either have a widow mine in mineral line already that one shots the oracle or a missle turret and plenty of marines. From there they just make mines/marine/viking/turret/bunker and hold the all in easily

I'm hitting the timings correctly too.

I think I'll stick to my normal vs terran lol


This sounds silly but perhaps do a gas-first variant of the build. Most Terrans don't bother clicking on your gas geysers and not many people could tell what the timing of a regular core finishes. They might even ebay block you when they see only 1 gas, then its pretty much a win.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12247 Posts
August 23 2014 12:27 GMT
#491
The whole point of the tasteless builds is that your opponent is too busy shitting hmself about something (proxy oracle, 4gate, 10gate) to realize you have more bullshit in store (4gate, dt). Straight up 4gating in pvt is the opposite of that, you just pick one dumb thing and do it. I mean, people are bad so it can work, but it's a completely different kind of bullshit build.

Gas first sounds reasonable though.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
WayTeh
Profile Joined May 2018
Belarus18 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-06 06:30:39
November 06 2019 06:26 GMT
#492
HAHA
"Warning: The last post in this thread is over three months old.
If you bump this, you'd better have a good reason!" (c)

I really have a good reason! I'm russian speaking streamer/content maker , but i can speak english too (not perfect though)|
So i decided to try REINCARNATION of this awesome book with my LOTV-Edition cheeses.

You know, SC2 become such a pizza...we need to spread cheese on it!

I'm droping guides of cool cheese builds that work at least in highMaster - lowGM level, but some of them is taken and maybe reworked from 6k+ players.
Hope you'll enjoy.

My guide on YOUTUBE

And replays:
Standart way this build goes most of the time vs GM/ML
https://lotv.spawningtool.com/54068/
https://lotv.spawningtool.com/54067/

And this guy managed to defend. So allin transition
https://lotv.spawningtool.com/54072/
It is so bad...that's actually good.
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