EPT[G] The Great Book of Protoss Bullshit - Page 16
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
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Antatra
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Going to try this out myself when I hit a lowpoint. As a zerg that will probably be this weekend. | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
Adjusting scan timings are much easier after reading from the protoss pov. | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
Its great that the tl "strategy writers" can propagate this stuff and think its funny, but at the same time this site bans people for opening their mouths about problems which have gone on way too long without being fully addressed. You cant instigate stuff and a the same time punish people for giving their opinion. The arrogance is maddening. | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
I wasn't trying to start a balance whine - clearly Protoss is the strongest race at present but there always has to be a strongest race. The point of my reply (and relevance to this particular amazing thread) was for people to start advocating to blizz for LOTV or any future patch that if at all possible - minimize the level of "bullshit!". Game would be better without AS MUCH of it (can leave some for the lolz) - it's turning the best and hardest strategy game into high card (would anyone really want to casually play or watch professional "High Card" game?) *note high card rules: each player dealt 1 card- high card win! | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On April 03 2014 22:17 johnbongham wrote: I wish this were funny but this exact bullshit is the reason why people tune out for the finals of pretty much any big tournament. That last final in Katowice seemed to be completely forgettable - but I wouldn't know - because I stopped watching when Jjakji got beat 3-0 in the quarters or semis or whatever. Also this upcoming gsl final? Nope, not watching that either, couldn't care less...I fail to see how something is funny when its quite clearly hurting the viewership of our 'beloved' game. As an oldshcool counterstrike fan who switched to sc2 upon release, it blows my mind that CSGO crushed sc2 in viewership for the final. I never would have expected that in a thousand years. Are free wins for protoss players really worth the damage its doing to the game in terms of playerbase and spectators? I mean, I know most kids are playing protoss because they don't want to actually learn how to play, but not everybody is hopping on the bandwagon. Many people are just playing a different game altogether. The idea that terran and zerg players(mostly terran) are whining for the sake of whining is ludicrous. They are whining because the game is clearly broken. Maybe protoss can't win 100% of the time, but anytime I DO beat a protoss, it is usually the result of my protoss opponent being incompetent and making terrible decisions. If a protoss player is at all competent at executing builds, the sky is the limit really. Hit your timing, do your damage, and if no GG is called then jus take a 3rd make a deathball and finish the job. Its great that the tl "strategy writers" can propagate this stuff and think its funny, but at the same time this site bans people for opening their mouths about problems which have gone on way too long without being fully addressed. You cant instigate stuff and a the same time punish people for giving their opinion. The arrogance is maddening. At the highest levels, Protoss is definitely balanced with the other races, especially after the latest round of balance changes. Many people are saying that TvP is Terran-favored in Korea, and PvZ has always been pretty fair (when the Zerg doesn't stupidly die to zealot pressure). Quit balance whining, this thread is for having fun; nobody gives a shit that you can't beat Protoss on ladder. Protoss is FAAAAAAAAAAR from being broken like BL/infestor. | ||
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
On April 03 2014 22:26 DomeGetta wrote: but there always has to be a strongest race. please elaborate. | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On April 03 2014 22:48 SC2John wrote: At the highest levels, Protoss is definitely balanced with the other races, especially after the latest round of balance changes. Many people are saying that TvP is Terran-favored in Korea, and PvZ has always been pretty fair (when the Zerg doesn't stupidly die to zealot pressure). Quit balance whining, this thread is for having fun; nobody gives a shit that you can't beat Protoss on ladder. Protoss is FAAAAAAAAAAR from being broken like BL/infestor. Saying something is definitely balanced and actually being balanced are two completely different things. yawn Edit: Also, funny you dont address my points about this stuff hurting viewership. Is that because you agree? From what I have heard, SOS vs Hero was the biggest letdown so far. Lets step away from balance for a moment - even IF the game is balanced, is it ok that builds like these permeate the game anywhere from plat league to the highest levels of play? Is your ability to milk out free wins on ladder with gimmicky builds worth the decline in the quality of high level games we get to see, especially in finals? Is this game only for you to enjoy? Is nobody else allowed to enoy starcraft 2 anymore? | ||
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shivver
United States232 Posts
On April 03 2014 22:17 johnbongham wrote: I wish this were funny but this exact bullshit is the reason why people tune out for the finals of pretty much any big tournament. That last final in Katowice seemed to be completely forgettable - but I wouldn't know - because I stopped watching when Jjakji got beat 3-0 in the quarters or semis or whatever. Also this upcoming gsl final? Nope, not watching that either, couldn't care less...I fail to see how something is funny when its quite clearly hurting the viewership of our 'beloved' game. As an oldshcool counterstrike fan who switched to sc2 upon release, it blows my mind that CSGO crushed sc2 in viewership for the final. I never would have expected that in a thousand years. Are free wins for protoss players really worth the damage its doing to the game in terms of playerbase and spectators? I mean, I know most kids are playing protoss because they don't want to actually learn how to play, but not everybody is hopping on the bandwagon. Many people are just playing a different game altogether. The idea that terran and zerg players(mostly terran) are whining for the sake of whining is ludicrous. They are whining because the game is clearly broken. Maybe protoss can't win 100% of the time, but anytime I DO beat a protoss, it is usually the result of my protoss opponent being incompetent and making terrible decisions. If a protoss player is at all competent at executing builds, the sky is the limit really. Hit your timing, do your damage, and if no GG is called then jus take a 3rd make a deathball and finish the job. Its great that the tl "strategy writers" can propagate this stuff and think its funny, but at the same time this site bans people for opening their mouths about problems which have gone on way too long without being fully addressed. You cant instigate stuff and a the same time punish people for giving their opinion. The arrogance is maddening. dude protoss isn't the reason for this, it's blizzard look at the game, the UI, the arcade and compare it with games that are run by valve and such. It looks pathetic, there is hardly any new content ever put in. hell after what 6 months? Blizzard come up with this grand idea of "hey we'll make it so you can listen to bw music if you want too!" riveting... I can see why when you go under jobs in blizzard it says "lead designer" under sc2. Thankfully it took whoever forever and a day to figure out dustin browder has gotta gtfo | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On April 03 2014 23:10 johnbongham wrote: Saying something is definitely balanced and actually being balanced are two completely different things. yawn Edit: Also, funny you dont address my points about this stuff hurting viewership. Is that because you agree? From what I have heard, SOS vs Hero was the biggest letdown so far. Lets step away from balance for a moment - even IF the game is balanced, is it ok that builds like these permeate the game anywhere from plat league to the highest levels of play? Is your ability to milk out free wins on ladder with gimmicky builds worth the decline in the quality of high level games we get to see, especially in finals? Is this game only for you to enjoy? Is nobody else allowed to enoy starcraft 2 anymore? I play Zerg currently. I like watching SC2. SC2 numbers are up and looking really good right now (though, admittedly, not as great as they could be). Negative outlooks don't help the scene at all. You have a personal problem. Quit whining. EDIT: Final warning. EDIT: Actually, I should probably clarify. I don't have a problem with you voicing your concern about the state of Protoss and how you feel playing against it, but that's more blog material and doesn't belong here. As I said, this was meant to be a fun thread, there's no point in polluting it with a bunch of serious accusations about how Protoss is killing the game. Please. Stop. | ||
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v0rtex
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On April 04 2014 00:15 SC2John wrote: I play Zerg currently. I like watching SC2. SC2 numbers are up and looking really good right now (though, admittedly, not as great as they could be). Negative outlooks don't help the scene at all. You have a personal problem. Quit whining. EDIT: Final warning. EDIT: Actually, I should probably clarify. I don't have a problem with you voicing your concern about the state of Protoss and how you feel playing against it, but that's more blog material and doesn't belong here. As I said, this was meant to be a fun thread, there's no point in polluting it with a bunch of serious accusations about how Protoss is killing the game. Please. Stop. This thread was an attempt to instigate shrouded in the joke that is april fools. Sure, its 'fun' for you. But it is actually anything but fun for a large percentage of people who bought this game. Maybe when you realize that you may do some critical thinking and adopt a more serious outlook about the game I am guessing you wish to see thrive. | ||
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + All the game design experts in here should probably keep that in mind. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13391 Posts
On April 04 2014 01:48 Teoita wrote: Protoss is bullshit in bw too, without oracles, warpgates, dt's, blink stalkers, immortals, msc or sentries: + Show Spoiler + All the game design experts in here should probably keep that in mind. Wrong. Brood War was skillful. Everyone drank expensive alcohol and wore monacles while discussing the finer points of philosophy between games. Men macroed every game because that was true skill, and if you did any sort of all in timing you were ostracized, lost all your fangirls and kicked from Kespa. If your all in was especially egregious you were sent to north korea - and not one person cried for you. | ||
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FreeZEternal
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On April 04 2014 01:48 Teoita wrote: Protoss is bullshit in bw too, without oracles, warpgates, dt's, blink stalkers, immortals, msc or sentries: + Show Spoiler + All the game design experts in here should probably keep that in mind. Glorious! Pity I can't watch them all before going to work. I love watching shit like that go down (from all races). It's funny, though. I've never played that way in all my 1v1. I've yet to proxy 2-Gate/proxy Oracle/Blink all-in vs T. Maybe, next season. I keep saying that, but I usually find myself deferring to my safe macro Toss play. I'll try harder next season.  | ||
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Marcinko
South Africa1014 Posts
 Protoss can offer. If only someone would write The Great Mozzarella Guide to  Zerg and Would you like some  Terran with your cheese. All in the world would be right. Haha…Just imagine the chaos on ladder. | ||
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
On April 03 2014 22:17 johnbongham wrote: I wish this were funny but this exact bullshit is the reason why people tune out for the finals of pretty much any big tournament. That last final in Katowice seemed to be completely forgettable - but I wouldn't know - because I stopped watching when Jjakji got beat 3-0 in the quarters or semis or whatever. Also this upcoming gsl final? Nope, not watching that either, couldn't care less...I fail to see how something is funny when its quite clearly hurting the viewership of our 'beloved' game. As an oldshcool counterstrike fan who switched to sc2 upon release, it blows my mind that CSGO crushed sc2 in viewership for the final. I never would have expected that in a thousand years. Are free wins for protoss players really worth the damage its doing to the game in terms of playerbase and spectators? I mean, I know most kids are playing protoss because they don't want to actually learn how to play, but not everybody is hopping on the bandwagon. Many people are just playing a different game altogether. The idea that terran and zerg players(mostly terran) are whining for the sake of whining is ludicrous. They are whining because the game is clearly broken. Maybe protoss can't win 100% of the time, but anytime I DO beat a protoss, it is usually the result of my protoss opponent being incompetent and making terrible decisions. If a protoss player is at all competent at executing builds, the sky is the limit really. Hit your timing, do your damage, and if no GG is called then jus take a 3rd make a deathball and finish the job. Its great that the tl "strategy writers" can propagate this stuff and think its funny, but at the same time this site bans people for opening their mouths about problems which have gone on way too long without being fully addressed. You cant instigate stuff and a the same time punish people for giving their opinion. The arrogance is maddening. A few things, overall I agree that in general Sc2 from beta until now, has always had to much cheese/all ins. Every race has nasty forms of it though, it's not just protoss.I think the race gets a bad rap. However, it's been beat to death and nothing is going to change. There are plenty of protoss players who struggle with certain matchups, and I'm thankful for the writers who wrote this, and you should be too. Every player, regardless of race or skill level, should mix some cheesy builds into their play. They should practice them, learn to execute them, and understand all the contingencies of them. It has been the downfall of plenty of pro's to not use and practice enough cheese, and execute it well. It is the reason players like MC and MVP have so many trophies, they can macro like a boss or throw in a flawlessly executed allin or cheese. | ||
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