|
This trick is great.
This mecanic is used here to spam. May be it's possible to use it in another way.
Have you think about the Attack+Click order. Every player made it hundred times by game. With this method you just can Point and Attack button. Same thing for every order or ability (as it been already said). Not only for spam but also for simpler micro.
It would make the game not easier but more effective I think.
I didnt try it but instead of nerf it, I think that Blizzard should test it and implement it as an option.
I would name this option "Left Click Ban"
|
On May 31 2013 03:07 Vinzvin wrote:
This trick is great.
This mecanic is used here to spam. May be it's possible to use it in another way.
Have you think about the Attack+Click order. Every player made it hundred times by game. With this method you just can Point and Attack button. Same thing for every order or ability (as it been already said). Not only for spam but also for simpler micro.
It would make the game not easier but more effective I think.
I didnt try it but instead of nerf it, I think that Blizzard should test it and implement it as an option.
I would name this option "Left Click Ban"
I don't think it's useful for attack-moving for two reasons:
1) you only need to issue one attack move order, so the spamming isn't helpful.
2) there is a ~0.5second pause between holding down the key and the key being spammed.
Recently, I do something a bit different to mitigate the pause after holding down the key. Simply ctrl+click+D(hold)[this is my creep spread key] and then start waving immediately. I can lay creep tumours really quickly and really accurately doing this.
Another creep spread trick is to build 1-4 creep spread queens and hotkey them to individual hotkeys(I rebinded my control groups to use control groups 7-10 which I wasn't using before). Then double tap each queen and lay creep and spread creep near that queen as part of your macro cycle together with injects, since inject larvae and poop tumour both cost 25 energy. The best thing about this is that you no longer need to go minimap clicking because the queens act as mobile camera location saves.
Another thing I just want to add on, since this is on the topic of creep spread, is the value of placing creep tumours at the edges of the map near the dead space. It increases vision of drops greatly, as creep tumours have 11 sight range.
|
Why do you up the delay on the key to trigger to max tho?
|
On May 31 2013 11:08 hearters wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 03:07 Vinzvin wrote:
This trick is great.
This mecanic is used here to spam. May be it's possible to use it in another way.
Have you think about the Attack+Click order. Every player made it hundred times by game. With this method you just can Point and Attack button. Same thing for every order or ability (as it been already said). Not only for spam but also for simpler micro.
It would make the game not easier but more effective I think.
I didnt try it but instead of nerf it, I think that Blizzard should test it and implement it as an option.
I would name this option "Left Click Ban" I don't think it's useful for attack-moving for two reasons: 1) you only need to issue one attack move order, so the spamming isn't helpful. 2) there is a ~0.5second pause between holding down the key and the key being spammed. Recently, I do something a bit different to mitigate the pause after holding down the key. Simply ctrl+click+D(hold)[this is my creep spread key] and then start waving immediately. I can lay creep tumours really quickly and really accurately doing this. Another creep spread trick is to build 1-4 creep spread queens and hotkey them to individual hotkeys(I rebinded my control groups to use control groups 7-10 which I wasn't using before). Then double tap each queen and lay creep and spread creep near that queen as part of your macro cycle together with injects, since inject larvae and poop tumour both cost 25 energy. The best thing about this is that you no longer need to go minimap clicking because the queens act as mobile camera location saves. Another thing I just want to add on, since this is on the topic of creep spread, is the value of placing creep tumours at the edges of the map near the dead space. It increases vision of drops greatly, as creep tumours have 11 sight range.
I don't know why I didn't do this before but hotkeying my creep queen and including it in my inject cycle is really nice. That at least ensures a creep tumor every 30 seconds even when you're busy. I saw a stat on gsl last night for soulkeys creep spread. He averaged 1 per minute and 40 per game. I'd like to see scarlet's stats on that.
I totally agree with the value of starting creep tumors away from your main. I wrote a section on this in my last guide http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=412817. You spread creep so much faster when you can spread it in multiple directions instead of just forward. And the hatch trick is a great way to do it for only 75 minerals.
|
This is awesome, I had no idea about the alternative hotkey option. I've now applied the same method to my Phoenix graviton beam and my High Templar feedbacks and Zealot warp-in. After testing it out I would strongly advise against doing it for chrono boosts, as that tends to results in chronoing the same building 15 times.
Big thanks to the OP and Khaldor for the old video.
|
On June 01 2013 17:28 lue wrote:
Why do you up the delay on the key to trigger to max tho?
Sorry if it was unclear. You want to minimise the delay on the key to trigger.
|
On June 01 2013 22:58 hearters wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 17:28 lue wrote:
Why do you up the delay on the key to trigger to max tho? Sorry if it was unclear. You want to minimise the delay on the key to trigger.
So in short you want both the fancy sliders under for keyboard controls to be as far to the right as possible, Ie:
Delay should be as short as possible, not as long, which does make things confusing as the "minimum" setting on delay is actually the longest possible delay as it is the furthest to the left.
Just had to make sure.
|
On June 02 2013 11:03 lue wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 22:58 hearters wrote:On June 01 2013 17:28 lue wrote:
Why do you up the delay on the key to trigger to max tho? Sorry if it was unclear. You want to minimise the delay on the key to trigger. So in short you want both the fancy sliders under for keyboard controls to be as far to the right as possible, Ie: Delay should be as short as possible, not as long, which does make things confusing as the "minimum" setting on delay is actually the longest possible delay as it is the furthest to the left. Just had to make sure.
Yep! (:
|
This is a great technique, thanks for posting this! I'm still a horrible noob who loses horribly to every Protoss ever, but at least I feel like a boss spreading creep around.
|
This trick has been amazing in my ZvT games for creep spread when i do a 4 queen opening. I have amazing coverage starting around 10 minutes which i've noticed helps my harass and engagements.
|
Hello,
I have been using this trick for injecting as well. To me it seems like there's a slight delay when I double tap my inject key (as opposed to tapping my inject key once and then left clicking). Thus, my queen injects the hatchery a little later than she normally would. Is this correct, or am I just paranoid or something?
|
On June 04 2013 06:11 Durmaz21 wrote:
Hello,
I have been using this trick for injecting as well. To me it seems like there's a slight delay when I double tap my inject key (as opposed to tapping my inject key once and then left clicking). Thus, my queen injects the hatchery a little later than she normally would. Is this correct, or am I just paranoid or something?
There would be a delay if you were holding down your inject key, waiting for the keypress to repeat. If you double tapped it, I don't see why there would be a delay.
On June 04 2013 05:49 AwM wrote:
This trick has been amazing in my ZvT games for creep spread when i do a 4 queen opening. I have amazing coverage starting around 10 minutes which i've noticed helps my harass and engagements.
go zerg!
|
Dude it's epic and it works on almost anything, even on fungal growths  Thanks a lot for the tip !!!
|
On June 04 2013 10:14 typhoonn wrote:Dude it's epic and it works on almost anything, even on fungal growths Thanks a lot for the tip !!!
I'm not sure I'd use this for FG, with infested terrans and creep tumors you want to get as many out as quickly as possible, but with FG you want to land a few 'money' fungals instead of a whole carpet of them.
Another area where I think it could prove useful would be Abduct with vipers, altho I've not tried that myself yet.
|
Oh this is realy nice.
Have one question though, maybe bit stupid but you can only do this with 1 ability?
you have to choose between creep and infested terran and you cant do both right? unless off course you bind creep spread and infested terran to the same hotkey?
|
Russian Federation4295 Posts
|
great creeping possible with that technique
|
On June 22 2013 19:18 bypLy wrote:
great creeping possible with that technique
I've continued my research into creep since I wrote the OP. A new, updated, more comprehensive framework to creeping will be coming soon.
|
Scarlett is our Queen creep
|
On June 22 2013 20:53 Eolo wrote:
Scarlett is our Queen creep
My idol.
Wish I had just one fpvod of her.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
