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On May 12 2013 14:07 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 14:02 chris2423 wrote:
you are pressing 1 button to perform multiple actions. you are setting up a macro key to perform C, left click. when you hold it down, it spreads all your creep tumors. for those of you who want to tell me this is not a macro, lets look at something we will all agree is a macro.
if you were to set up a macro key to to perform 4v left click, basecamera and held it down, you would inject all your hatcheries. that is a macro that performs 4 actions. see the similarities?
one is a 2 button macro, one is a 4 button macro, one uses your keyboard bindings, one uses blizzard's ingame hotkey support, but they both violate 1 button = 1 action. You can't program macros using Blizzard's ingame hotkey customization interface. That is sufficient reason to say this is not a macro...
actually, i just explained that you can program a simple macro using blizzard's ingame hotkey configuration. the definition of a macro is pressing 1 key to perform multiple actions. it doesn't matter what you use to program it, it only matters its functionality.
if you would like to explain to me which two keys you press down to perform these two actions (select ability AND select target), i would love to hear.
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On May 12 2013 14:51 chris2423 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 14:07 Kaitlin wrote:On May 12 2013 14:02 chris2423 wrote:
you are pressing 1 button to perform multiple actions. you are setting up a macro key to perform C, left click. when you hold it down, it spreads all your creep tumors. for those of you who want to tell me this is not a macro, lets look at something we will all agree is a macro.
if you were to set up a macro key to to perform 4v left click, basecamera and held it down, you would inject all your hatcheries. that is a macro that performs 4 actions. see the similarities?
one is a 2 button macro, one is a 4 button macro, one uses your keyboard bindings, one uses blizzard's ingame hotkey support, but they both violate 1 button = 1 action. You can't program macros using Blizzard's ingame hotkey customization interface. That is sufficient reason to say this is not a macro... actually, i just explained that you can program a simple macro using blizzard's ingame hotkey configuration. the definition of a macro is pressing 1 key to perform multiple actions. it doesn't matter what you use to program it, it only matters its functionality. if you would like to explain to me which two keys you press down to perform these two actions (select ability AND select target), i would love to hear.
Technically there are two keypresses. They just happen to be on the same key. And also happen to be able to be selected quickly by holding down the key. It's obviously not a black and white area.
For a macro, it is usually triggered by one keypress, though not necessarily. I don't think it'll be fruitful to go into the whole definition-of-a-macro thing though.
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Thanks for the link.
I hadn't read those posts. I don't think you should expect anyone to read every thread on this forum. I just joined the forum very recently and I discovered it this trick independently yesterday.
To be honest, I'm surprised that no one created a separate thread for something that is poorly documented and potentially really big.
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On May 12 2013 14:51 chris2423 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 14:07 Kaitlin wrote:On May 12 2013 14:02 chris2423 wrote:
you are pressing 1 button to perform multiple actions. you are setting up a macro key to perform C, left click. when you hold it down, it spreads all your creep tumors. for those of you who want to tell me this is not a macro, lets look at something we will all agree is a macro.
if you were to set up a macro key to to perform 4v left click, basecamera and held it down, you would inject all your hatcheries. that is a macro that performs 4 actions. see the similarities?
one is a 2 button macro, one is a 4 button macro, one uses your keyboard bindings, one uses blizzard's ingame hotkey support, but they both violate 1 button = 1 action. You can't program macros using Blizzard's ingame hotkey customization interface. That is sufficient reason to say this is not a macro... actually, i just explained that you can program a simple macro using blizzard's ingame hotkey configuration. the definition of a macro is pressing 1 key to perform multiple actions. it doesn't matter what you use to program it, it only matters its functionality. if you would like to explain to me which two keys you press down to perform these two actions (select ability AND select target), i would love to hear.
Under your theory of what a macro is, right-clicking an enemy unit is a macro because you are issuing both an attack command and a target command with one click. It's stupid. Sorry, but that's not a macro. As I said, Blizzard's user interface does not enable programming of macros. If you can accomplish something using that interface, without outside shenanigans, it's not a damned macro.
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On May 12 2013 18:04 hearters wrote:Thanks for the link. I hadn't read those posts. I don't think you should expect anyone to read every thread on this forum. I just joined the forum very recently and I discovered it this trick independently yesterday. To be honest, I'm surprised that no one created a separate thread for something that is poorly documented and potentially really big.
I wasn't expecting you to have seen that either, especially because not too many people pick up TheCore for multiple reasons.
I'm glad Khaldor publicized all this, and I'm equally glad that the left click commands are now being experimented with widely. It's just a little annoying that Nick (eneyeseekay) didn't get the credit.
Anyways, let's get back on track. It's a great speed trick which deserves praise, no matter the source.
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I really liked this trick to spam ITs but for some reason this trick doesnt seem to be faster than spreading creep manually for me. Could it be that I have too much delay in NA server? It takes so long for the first creep tumor to get place and then I can't "guess" the right time that the creep tumor will start (so I can move my screen and keep macroing elsewhere). In the end I can't rly use this trick to spread creep faster.
I am trying to wave correctly the mouse but it's not helping as much as I expected.
I appreciate if anyone can help me
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On May 13 2013 00:25 Dudasc wrote:
I really liked this trick to spam ITs but for some reason this trick doesnt seem to be faster than spreading creep manually for me. Could it be that I have too much delay in NA server? It takes so long for the first creep tumor to get place and then I can't "guess" the right time that the creep tumor will start (so I can move my screen and keep macroing elsewhere). In the end I can't rly use this trick to spread creep faster.
I am trying to wave correctly the mouse but it's not helping as much as I expected.
I appreciate if anyone can help me
I think it sounds like you need to go to your OS and find your keyboard settings in your control panel and reduce your key repeat delay. It reduces the time from when you first start to hold down the key and when it starts to repeat the key.
On May 12 2013 23:35 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 18:04 hearters wrote:Thanks for the link. I hadn't read those posts. I don't think you should expect anyone to read every thread on this forum. I just joined the forum very recently and I discovered it this trick independently yesterday. To be honest, I'm surprised that no one created a separate thread for something that is poorly documented and potentially really big. I wasn't expecting you to have seen that either, especially because not too many people pick up TheCore for multiple reasons. I'm glad Khaldor publicized all this, and I'm equally glad that the left click commands are now being experimented with widely. It's just a little annoying that Nick (eneyeseekay) didn't get the credit. Anyways, let's get back on track. It's a great speed trick which deserves praise, no matter the source.
Actually, I think a lot of people have independently discovered this before. It just hasn't been widely known or publicized. Go creep spread!
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On May 12 2013 23:35 Antylamon wrote:
I'm glad Khaldor publicized all this, and I'm equally glad that the left click commands are now being experimented with widely. It's just a little annoying that Nick (eneyeseekay) didn't get the credit.
Credit around here is a funny thing:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309344¤tpage=2#36
It's been around. Hell this guy thought he broke the game when he wrote this thread about it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313135
but, obviously, he wasn't even the first. I've posted a lot of ideas in these forums, I don't know if I discovered them or if I was even the first to mention them, but if there's one thing I've learned, people will constantly discover it and each time, it's completely new to a whole lot of people. Save yourself some stress and don't worry about who originally "discovered" something because most likely, somebody before them already had.
edit: Having said that, I think if anybody attributes the idea of moving to the right side of the keyboard to the Core, I might blow a gasket lol 
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On May 13 2013 00:34 hearters wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 00:25 Dudasc wrote:
I really liked this trick to spam ITs but for some reason this trick doesnt seem to be faster than spreading creep manually for me. Could it be that I have too much delay in NA server? It takes so long for the first creep tumor to get place and then I can't "guess" the right time that the creep tumor will start (so I can move my screen and keep macroing elsewhere). In the end I can't rly use this trick to spread creep faster.
I am trying to wave correctly the mouse but it's not helping as much as I expected.
I appreciate if anyone can help me I think it sounds like you need to go to your OS and find your keyboard settings in your control panel and reduce your key repeat delay. It reduces the time from when you first start to hold down the key and when it starts to repeat the key.
It's already on the fastest. It's just the server delay really 
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On May 13 2013 01:18 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 23:35 Antylamon wrote:
I'm glad Khaldor publicized all this, and I'm equally glad that the left click commands are now being experimented with widely. It's just a little annoying that Nick (eneyeseekay) didn't get the credit.
Credit around here is a funny thing: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309344¤tpage=2#36It's been around. Hell this guy thought he broke the game when he wrote this thread about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313135but, obviously, he wasn't even the first. I've posted a lot of ideas in these forums, I don't know if I discovered them or if I was even the first to mention them, but if there's one thing I've learned, people will constantly discover it and each time, it's completely new to a whole lot of people. Save yourself some stress and don't worry about who originally "discovered" something because most likely, somebody before them already had. edit: Having said that, I think if anybody attributes the idea of moving to the right side of the keyboard to the Core, I might blow a gasket lol
I'm pretty sure the person who "discovered it" was the programmer who coded it into the game. We're just retarded for not actually using it properly for so long.
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On May 13 2013 03:20 ManiacTheZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 01:18 Kaitlin wrote:On May 12 2013 23:35 Antylamon wrote:
I'm glad Khaldor publicized all this, and I'm equally glad that the left click commands are now being experimented with widely. It's just a little annoying that Nick (eneyeseekay) didn't get the credit.
Credit around here is a funny thing: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309344¤tpage=2#36It's been around. Hell this guy thought he broke the game when he wrote this thread about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313135but, obviously, he wasn't even the first. I've posted a lot of ideas in these forums, I don't know if I discovered them or if I was even the first to mention them, but if there's one thing I've learned, people will constantly discover it and each time, it's completely new to a whole lot of people. Save yourself some stress and don't worry about who originally "discovered" something because most likely, somebody before them already had. edit: Having said that, I think if anybody attributes the idea of moving to the right side of the keyboard to the Core, I might blow a gasket lol I'm pretty sure the person who "discovered it" was the programmer who coded it into the game. We're just retarded for not actually using it properly for so long.
Obviously, the fact that Blizzard enabled this functionality in the updated hotkey interface with the ability to be creative in how you do various things in mind. It's up to the creativity of the player base to figure out good ways to use the "tools" that Blizzard gives us. Frankly, the fact that Blizzard put this in the game deliberately is the evidence against thinking they will patch it out. I wouldn't say they "discovered" this stuff necessarily, though. They are giving us the tools to discover it on our own.
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Is it possible to just map "shift" as this spam key?
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This is really cool. Using this for midgame massive creep tumor counts that take longer than 1 scan to kill. Investing in a 2nd creep queen just for this! Also if you have a couple full energy queens its more beneficial to hold shift then hold C, that way instead of 1 tumor per queen theyll use all their energy.
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On May 13 2013 13:14 Crugio wrote:
Is it possible to just map "shift" as this spam key?
I don't see why you would want to do this.
As is, you can just hold C to make your tumours without holding shift.
On May 13 2013 15:25 TheGreenMachine wrote:
This is really cool. Using this for midgame massive creep tumor counts that take longer than 1 scan to kill. Investing in a 2nd creep queen just for this! Also if you have a couple full energy queens its more beneficial to hold shift then hold C, that way instead of 1 tumor per queen theyll use all their energy.
With maybe 4+ creeping queens, you can even make an area completely filled with creep tumors so that attack-moving is difficult haha. I highly doubt that's practical, but it's kinda fun.
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dont know if protoss benefits much from this, you never have enough gates to really take advantage of the fast warp in. The feedback one is only useful if all opponent units are full energy so maybe if they have like 20 full energy ghosts you can do it, otherwise you just feedback the same thing a bunch. I guess you can use the phoenix lift one making if possible to lift a ton of workers really fast in a situation like phoenix vs phoenix pvp.
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On May 13 2013 16:36 hearters wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:14 Crugio wrote:
Is it possible to just map "shift" as this spam key? I don't see why you would want to do this. As is, you can just hold C to make your tumours without holding shift.
But, if you did map it to shift you could do it with more than just creep tumors, couldn't you? Then you could do like infested terrans and creep.
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On May 21 2013 00:28 AwM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 16:36 hearters wrote:On May 13 2013 13:14 Crugio wrote:
Is it possible to just map "shift" as this spam key? I don't see why you would want to do this. As is, you can just hold C to make your tumours without holding shift. But, if you did map it to shift you could do it with more than just creep tumors, couldn't you? Then you could do like infested terrans and creep.
just map ITs to c
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On May 22 2013 13:26 hearters wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 00:28 AwM wrote:On May 13 2013 16:36 hearters wrote:On May 13 2013 13:14 Crugio wrote:
Is it possible to just map "shift" as this spam key? I don't see why you would want to do this. As is, you can just hold C to make your tumours without holding shift. But, if you did map it to shift you could do it with more than just creep tumors, couldn't you? Then you could do like infested terrans and creep. just map ITs to c
I was just asking if mapping it to shift would work on both. Though I now release that with how shift is used it would be a bad key to map it to.
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