EPT[D] Innovation's TvZ (CC first) - Page 2
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DruidzHistory
Sweden231 Posts
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
On May 12 2013 04:20 sixilli wrote: Well the reason to post this is most people don't know how to do an effective CC first build that's this far optimized. I know the build really isn't anything special but for someone who doesn't want to spend a few hours to learn a build order can just copy this one. fair enough | ||
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futility
Japan134 Posts
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Sludgepapa
United States14 Posts
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
On May 12 2013 03:01 Thor.Rush wrote: I don't understand the point in posting this. Every top terran is doing this build except for minor tweaks here and there, but nothing really notable. Yes but the point is that THE TOP SC2 player who happens to play terran. Who with 30% of his wins being offraced with zerg still is #1 GM(when I checked he was 3 points behind #1 but being as he had offraced so much I think it's fair to call him #1  in korea did this. | ||
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sixilli
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
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sixilli
51 Posts
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Popkiller
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jere
United States121 Posts
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 16 2013 10:50 Popkiller wrote: I wonder how Innovation would respond to the Catz build, in which he drone scouts at 13, and if he sees CC first on the high ground he takes his third hatch in the Terran's nat and bad times ensue for the Terran. If you mean proxy third hatch before pool, it's a horrible gimmick which achieves nothing. Someone did it to me yesterday, I simply cancelled my gas to build a second rax, bunk within range of the hatch and SCVs/Marines had no troubles holding his lings/queen/spines agression. | ||
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VBBandit
Australia20 Posts
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Kvassten
Sweden159 Posts
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Decendos
Germany1341 Posts
On May 16 2013 18:52 TheDwf wrote: If you mean proxy third hatch before pool, it's a horrible gimmick which achieves nothing. Someone did it to me yesterday, I simply cancelled my gas to build a second rax, bunk within range of the hatch and SCVs/Marines had no troubles holding his lings/queen/spines agression. is catz always doing the all in type with lings spines and queens? i think just stealing the opponents natural to delay it can be worth the 350 minerals for the hatch. tried it a lot vs reaper expand but it might be a lot better vs CC first. | ||
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:05 oZe wrote: Yes but the point is that THE TOP SC2 player who happens to play terran. Who with 30% of his wins being offraced with zerg still is #1 GM(when I checked he was 3 points behind #1 but being as he had offraced so much I think it's fair to call him #1 in korea did this.he isnt offracing zerg. That's Hyvaa hes sharing his account with. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On May 16 2013 21:10 Decendos wrote: is catz always doing the all in type with lings spines and queens? i think just stealing the opponents natural to delay it can be worth the 350 minerals for the hatch. tried it a lot vs reaper expand but it might be a lot better vs CC first. You can't steal the natural. CC first expands at 2'16 - 2'22, you don't have 300 minerals at this time after hatch first to build your third hatch there. | ||
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TheMagicianSC2
France74 Posts
Could be great to add a replay or a VOD of Innovation doing this | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On May 17 2013 20:37 TheDwf wrote: You can't steal the natural. CC first expands at 2'16 - 2'22, you don't have 300 minerals at this time after hatch first to build your third hatch there. catz's build is against CC first on the high ground specifically, because if you build it on the high ground and don't have vision of your natural, it's certainly very possible to have a hatch completing a bit after the CC finishes. Against CC on the low ground it doesn't work though. | ||
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sixilli
51 Posts
On May 17 2013 21:55 TheMagicianSC2 wrote: Sounds good, THX ! Could be great to add a replay or a VOD of Innovation doing this I did but it got removed because it's from the GSL. Lets just say if you want to see a VOD you can find it if you look. x] | ||
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captive411
United States80 Posts
On May 11 2013 06:21 Acreno wrote: Anyone know how to adapt this build when zerg from my low level (gold/plat) trying to allin me from 2 base ? I cant take my third when he send to my natural lots of ling + banes and I dont have enough stuff to don't lose to much :/ Then he is taking third and I'm way behind to win game. Should I need tank or sth else to hold it and safely expand ? Try going into Stim Marines instead of a 3rd CC: TvZ Reaper Hellion into Stim Marines See Gumiho vs Jaedong Neo Planet S - DH Stockholm 2013 1:40 - 12 Rax 1:51 - 12 Gas 2:51 - 15 OCC - depot 16 - Reaper x 2 3:57 - 19 Expand 4:25 - FACTORY + Reactor on RAX1 Kill drones with 2 reapers while fax builds and minerals build up to around 500 5:30 - Swap Fax and Rax 5:37 - Rax x 2 + OCC at Nat + 2 hellions 5:45 Tech lab on Rax1 6:21 2nd Gas + Stim Poke front with Hellions and reapers 6:51 +3 on gas and Reactors on Rax 2 + 3 7:18 26 SCVs 6 Hellions 1 Marine Start building depots 2x2 7:49 - Starport 7:57 - EBay 8:00: Push 3rd 8:50 - after push, Swap Fax + Starport so Port is on Reactor - combat shield, 2 medivacs, +1atk Stay in Base until Medivacs pop - build depots, take 3rd and 4th gas, start 3rd 10:00 - 11:00 - Drop and secure 3rd | ||
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