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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On March 18 2013 13:18 ahw wrote: i hope everyone copies this because delaying double ups for 45 seconds and getting an early tank out on the high ground would end this. The whole point is to force the terran to play defensively and to drone up and expand and spread creep. So if you are rushing out that early tank, mission accomplished. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
On March 18 2013 13:27 MstrJinbo wrote: The whole point is to force the terran to play defensively and to drone up and expand and spread creep. So if you are rushing out that early tank, mission accomplished. i guess. but if making a single tank is going to keep me safe to 3cc while a zerg masses lings because he is copying life, that is more than ok with me | ||
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BigAsia
Canada451 Posts
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
If he decides to all in, pull all scvs to main and target fire tank on banes. you'll lose some scvs and depots but end up ahead in tech and have 3cc if he doesn't decide to commit, then you've only invested in one tank, no biggie. edit: if you are losing to the later game comp, you are probably just being outplayed. | ||
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Sc2zero7
United States574 Posts
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Swordland
232 Posts
Perhaps in WoL people didn't realize how strong lings were, only Life lol. Now people are starting to see | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
And it's honestly hard as hell to manage when the terran adds hellbats to his biomine army. I think that zerg needs to transition very fast to ultra vipers infestors when the hellbats are on the battlefield. Muta ling bane just get wrecked. | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
On March 18 2013 14:00 ahw wrote: Try just one siege tank after you make 4-6 hellions, then switch the rax to the fact and start stim and mines. If he decides to all in, pull all scvs to main and target fire tank on banes. you'll lose some scvs and depots but end up ahead in tech and have 3cc if he doesn't decide to commit, then you've only invested in one tank, no biggie. edit: if you are losing to the later game comp, you are probably just being outplayed. This doesn't hard counter Life's style at all, it actually sets you behind as Terran because getting a tank that early is really bad. It was bad in WoL and it's even worse in HotS with the other options T has. The thing is this style isn't anything new, Life's been using it since WoL and it just happens to deal with the current Terran meta about the same way it did in WoL but nobody looked at it because there was no need to. I remember writing about it in the GSL finals of him vs Mvp. It definitely relies on micro but it's so insanely cost inefficient/larva inefficient and micro oriented that only high level players would be able to copy it. | ||
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Skytt
Scotland333 Posts
On March 18 2013 17:03 Swordland wrote: To be honest zerglings have always been extremely strong units. People overlook this because its so cheap, weak, first combat unit for Zerg. They have great speed, can give you map control, super strong in numbers, and extremely expendable.... Perhaps in WoL people didn't realize how strong lings were, only Life lol. Now people are starting to see 3/3 Adrenal lings have the highest dps in the game on a per supply basis. I don't think we've seen as many because Zergs have been really greedy up until HotS and now that there is more early-game harass it makes more sense to get a stable two bases before commiting to further expansions. The main thing I took from Life's play was how he never took any early game damage from drops, it was only once the games pace had picked up and his attention was in other places that he was even taking damage. I guess that happens when you make mutas, spores and spread overlords, who'd have thought... | ||
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iyasq8
113 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 18 2013 17:33 KawaiiRice wrote: This doesn't hard counter Life's style at all, it actually sets you behind as Terran because getting a tank that early is really bad. It was bad in WoL and it's even worse in HotS with the other options T has. The thing is this style isn't anything new, Life's been using it since WoL and it just happens to deal with the current Terran meta about the same way it did in WoL but nobody looked at it because there was no need to. I remember writing about it in the GSL finals of him vs Mvp. It definitely relies on micro but it's so insanely cost inefficient/larva inefficient and micro oriented that only high level players would be able to copy it. And even then most high level zergs fail at it. I remember lots of korean zergs in interviews asked/mentioned life style how they tried it and they just didn't understand how it works for life because they get crushed doing it which is why you don't see korean zergs or pro zergs in general copying it. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
On March 18 2013 16:35 Sc2zero7 wrote: Is there a way to watch the VODs of MLG? I'd love to see this game...Copying the best zerg in the world is good and all but I doubt more than a handful of people outside life beats 14 blue flame helions with 26 lings. His control and macro are what allows his strategies to be super effective. Something to keep in mind when you copy builds. | ||
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nottapro
202 Posts
On March 19 2013 01:12 Lobotomist wrote: Is there a way to watch the VODs of MLG? I'd love to see this game... http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/events/23-2013-winter-championship#2424/2432/1 All the VOD's are free. | ||
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RMmanlots
United States95 Posts
Strengths/weaknesses + Lings are mathematically the most efficient unit in the game...in terms of DPS per mineral spent. Unless splash damage is incorporated, they have one of the best life per mineral spent as well. So long as you can flank (or threaten to flank), you can pretty much keep the terran's bio in his base. + Banelings have the best efficiency per supply in the game. Maxed banelings can take out maxed thors if clumped up. - Ling/baneling has the worst efficiency in the game in terms of larva. If you want to build drones AND ling/baneling, you're going to need lots of hatcheries. Life wasn't really expanding super fast, he was setting up macro hatcheries that would later turn into expansions. + Because ling/baneling/(muta) is an efficient use of supply, Life could get more drones than the average zerg before maxing. That was pretty much his philosophy. He kept several ctrl groups of lings active on the map to deny scouting and trying to get a flank on the hellions. His expanding (macro hatches) were extremely aggressive, which is just a winning combo. I would have liked to see more drops/burrow to keep the terran penned up in his base, but I can't argue with what life did. | ||
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Gtoad
United States90 Posts
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Virid
United States130 Posts
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bri9and
United States246 Posts
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