The HotS Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 38

On April 01 2013 03:12 Teoita wrote:
There's cool stuff coming up on that build soon ish.

On April 01 2013 01:54 Excludos wrote:
I'm fairly stuck PvZ right now. Does anyone have any decent fast 3 base builds involving stargates that actually works?
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edit: Funny how I visit this thread a lot, and still managed to forget that white text on the top that tells me to not do exactly what I did. (I even wrote a lot more, but decided to make it simple fail)

Anyways, my problem lies in that I really like air openings, especially in PvZ, where multitasking can be rewarded with phoenix harass and whatnot. Usually I open stargate of ffe, and grab a third as I'm harassing. The problem lies in those games where the zerg goes for mass hydras. Once I scout it I usually just throw down a robo bay right away and desperately try to get a collosus out. If I somehow hold off the first attack, all the zerg needs to do is to add some corrupter to his next attack and thats the end of that game.

So back to my original question, does anyone know of any way to make skytoss actually work vs zerg in the early/mid game?

On April 01 2013 05:10 SharkBait wrote:


If scouted early enough, I prefer templar since storm deals well with both hydras and corruptors. Or you can go carriers, especially if you throw down two stargates in addition to your initial one and keep up on upgrades. Imo, carriers are more fun since zergs don't seem to know how to deal with them other than mass corruptor, and void rays shred corruptors also, good sim city with tons of cannons and a planatery nexus holds fairly well, even with just void rays and warpgate reinforcements.

On April 01 2013 07:06 Whalecore wrote:
Everytime you open stargate after FFE you should either:
A) All-in on 2 base.
B) Get a robo and third up while harassing with phoenix.

So unless you go for a 2 base all-in, the robo should be built right after you have 4 phoenix. You should get it no matter what information you have or don't have on the zerg tech. Since you need colossus to deal with hydras or swarm hosts. If he goes for mutalisks instead, just keep building phoenix, add another stargate and use your robo to get observers while defending your third.

I was struggling a lot recently PvZ and it was because I got screwed over by zerg teching. FFE into stargate into robo/3rd might be the safest way to play.

On April 01 2013 07:22 Gessen wrote:


Do you have a replay or a good guide for the timings for this? I always end up with too few units opening stargate 8/.

On April 01 2013 07:21 Gessen wrote:
Hey guys, I'm having some small trouble PvZ. I would appreciate some feedback on this replay. Either here's a better build because this opener is weak, listen your macro is shit, or other tips/advice. Diamond or better would be awesome. Thanks all Glombax.477 if you want to hit me up on battle net, or I'll check back here for a post or a pm.

So far my thoughts are slowing down the collo tech, getting a better gateway army to defend the third, and then scouting to decide tech.

http://drop.sc/316485
-doesn't work

http://drop.sc/316487
-works

On April 01 2013 08:06 vhapter wrote:
^ Cannon after gas? When I get my cannon before gas, then get double gas and lings show up, it's like I don't even have enough resources to pylon block my sim city. Are you talking about hatch first? I've never tried to figure out the timing lings arrive when the zerg goes hatch first.

On April 01 2013 07:52 SteveNick wrote:
Watched your replay and took some notes. Obviously your mechanics aren't perfect so I'm not going to harp on minor issues, since that's just something you get better at over time.

-Rally out your 8th probe so you can get your pylon down in your nat on time. easiest way to do it.
-You're being way too safe in your opening. If your probe at the front doesn't see lings being made, then get your gateway and gas before you get any cannons. You can almost always get away with going gateway/gas with cannon after. Speeds up your tech and there's not much risk involved vs. what you've scouted.
-At the five-ish minute mark you must scout for a third. If he has a third, you're safe to continue doing whatever, but if he does not, you must start to realize the posibility that he is rushing you. You're playing blind atm.
-Make sure to prioritize probe production over everything else unless you can articulate a reason why you can't afford to make them.

For the rest of your game it looks like you just didn't macro properly. You took your double gas in your main a little too early(you took them before gateway for no real reason that I can tell since you didn't use them except to build a bunch of sentries), and you didn't add on production fast enough. You're down 60 supply when he's getting ready to attack which just means you need to work on your macro. I wouldn't advise slowing down your collo tech as you noted. It's bad to take what you did in this game and try to apply it as an overall rule, because you were just so far out-macroed here that there's really nothing to take from it strategy wise.

On April 01 2013 08:31 Gessen wrote:


Thanks a lot, I appreciate you taking a look! I'll try and speed up my tech and get more on top of my production. From what you saw, was I way behind on probes early-mid game, compared to where i should have been, or was it mostly units? Thanks again.

On April 01 2013 07:42 Whalecore wrote:

I don't have any clean replays of myself or anyone else doing macro based stargate play in PvZ in HotS yet. I'm currently practicing DT style in PvZ and will practice stargate play after, if I get some nice games I can upload replays.

When real Proleague starts we will see a lot of it I'm 100% sure Kespa tosses love the phoenix based macro play.

Edit: I guess maybe check out Artosis stream, I think he opens stargate some games, and he always has late game focus. Good educational stream.