The HotS Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 238

On February 23 2014 05:45 Teoita wrote:
Colossus drops in general are bad because they kill scv's, probes and drones so slowly that a competent opponent will easily pull his workers away before any damage is done.

Storm drops on the other hand are sexy as hell.

On February 23 2014 07:48 shivver wrote:


Well I can't open with storm drops lol

well, maybe I can I never thought about that. The problem is I don't think I can open oracle robo and tech to storm +2 armor + the prism in a way that won't get me killed early. I don't know though I haven't thought about it

On February 23 2014 09:04 city42 wrote:

Good news: you don't need an oracle. Dear and Hero showed effective storm drop openings here:

http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_2/b/477842767?t=5h52m02s (Dear vs. Taeja)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5lEoNZK-90

Two completely different options on display (Dear rushes for it and Hero does not).

Also, all the videos you posted are from WoL. I've yet to see a colossus drop in HotS but it sounds like a bad idea. You need an ultra-quick robo bay, which both sets your economy and upgrades behind and acts as a red flag if the terran scouts it. If you wait and try to do the strat with a normally-timed robo bay, the terran will have a starport with reactor by the time you get to his base, unless he did a very greedy opening.

On February 23 2014 09:12 DarkLordOlli wrote:
HerO's build is definitely a storm drop rush. He goes 1gate expand robo right into twilight council for super fast storm while still being safe with continued immortal production. And of course since he's HerO he can't resist the temptation of loading units into the prism he already has and doing funky things with them until storm is done.

(the prism harass is actually to keep terran at home while he's rushing storm out)

On February 23 2014 07:48 shivver wrote:


Well I can't open with storm drops lol

well, maybe I can I never thought about that. The problem is I don't think I can open oracle robo and tech to storm +2 armor + the prism in a way that won't get me killed early. I don't know though I haven't thought about it

The build I'm specifically talking about is this http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Colossus_Drop_(vs._Terran)

If you watch what puck does, he literally whittles his opponents army down in these 3 vids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXyq6E5H_Zg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAnANYhJv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKY5XC1vMMg

I'm just.. in love with the micro

On February 23 2014 14:56 SC2John wrote:


If you enjoy the micro and are fascinated by it, do it! Don't fail to explore game options just because the general consensus is that it's too micro-intensive or impossible to do in a real macro game, etc. Do what you find fun and interesting, and continue to innovate; just make sure that your macro isn't slipping and your game plan makes sense.



Dear's build IS a Usain Bolt sprint. In either case, they're both "storm drop rushes".

As a sidenote, I just want to explain that opening oracle isn't about "being aggressive" or "getting lots of worker kills"; the main strength of opening oracle is that it forces a certain response out of the Terran and allows you to keep them pinned back defensively with relatively little investment (300/300 to contain your opponent until 8:00 is the best deal in the game). When you think of it like that, opening oracle -> storm drops is a decent plan, but you'll likely have to skip the robo to afford it.



Gate expands usually have a wall and sentry up by 5:30, which is about the earliest most speedling all-ins hit. A simple alteration is to simply scout after nexus for his natural and third; if late natural, build a sentry instead of a second stalker. When the pressure hits, you'll have to rewall with extra gates/pylons while relying on sentry warpins and your MSC/nexus cannon.

If your timing is crisp, you should be able to hit with ~6 zealots/2 stalkers/MSC around 7:30. I personally prefer using recall here instead of time warp, but it all comes down to a judgment call: if you can do pretty serious damage with your units use time warp, but if your opponent is already prepared with roaches/mass lings/spines, just recall. Once you have ~2-3 void rays, you can safely take a 3rd base; you don't need a lot of ground units. If he trades 30 lings for a nexus cancel, you are WAY ahead.

Alternatively, you can do this same build but replace the 3rd gateway with a forge. By doing so, you forgo your gateway pressure, but you can take a third and start upgrades a lot sooner. I personally prefer the gateway pressure, but it just comes down to style.