The HotS Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 171

On September 03 2013 22:30 Dragonadern wrote:
Hello fellow Protoss!

(I posted this in the Strategy Forum aswell, but maybe my luck is better here )

My Name is Trident (i know it says Dragonadern in my Profile, but ive had an ID Switch and cant Switch it on TL.. TT) and im a relatively high master protoss on the EU Server. Last Season i've had 1974 Points, this morning i've been playing five PvZs, all against Players around 2100-2300 Points last season, they were all top 8 Masters.

I lost all those five games (still very good practice though :D ) and i've found myself struggling in this matchup. Im using the 5 phoenix into 4 gates -> robo and expand build, very Standard for this matchup.

I cant shake the Feeling though, that im not utilizing the build perfectly, that there is some Major flaw i havent been able to see. I've analyzed the five games below and kindly ask for your help. Î would love to hear some Input from other high Level Players on These games, and thank you in advance



http://drop.sc/357089
Opponent: Indra Map: Derelict Watcher

I think this game comes down to the engagement at 13:30, up until then its fairly straightforward. I was harassing his drones in his main, and didngt focus on my army. Even if i had perfect focus on my army, i still think he would've rolled me at this stage. Im not exactly sure what i did wrong, was it my location for the engagement? or is my execution of the build wrong?
My phoenix did adequate damage i guess, im not sure if i should incorporate a zealot-stalker-msc push to force some zerglings? maybe im letting the zerg alone for too long?
I havent scouted the lack of the evo chambers (Vortix style i think?) I guess i have to play more defensively against this, but how and when can i engage a hydra army on derelict watcher?


http://drop.sc/357088
Opponent: Indra Map: Akilon Wastes

Ok this game went really fine, i scouted the early hive and thus the vipers incoming, got the early Templar Archives and defended that push ok, i lost a lot of my templars (i need to pay attention to his roaches sniping my templars...)
I totally threw that game when i tried to attack his 2 o'clock base and lost my HTs and Void rays. After winning a fight, i must remember to wait until im maxed with HTs and Voids and only then push out (or if i have an MSC i can be more aggressive, but i lost mine at that point)
Otherwise i think i played well, though i give the credit more to the map and its defensibility, and not exactly that i did something better than in the game vs Indra on Derelict Watcher.


http://drop.sc/357087
Opponent: Indra Map: Yeonsu

Same style as on Akilon Wastes, my opponent goes for fast vipers, i go for fast HTs. I think this game comes down to the engagement at my natural, i lose all my High templars and Colossi which is game ending. I just cant get rid of the feeling that im doing something fundamentally wrong with this style, am i wrong?



http://drop.sc/357086
Opponent: Razarael Map: Whirlwind

Here i did a push with my stalker and zealot, without MSC, i was able to force around 14 zerglings which i was happy about. I scout his early hydras, build some additional cannons and defend his push relatively effectively.
I think the reason i lost this game was the fight at 18:00. Coupled with the lack of scouting of his broodlord tech, i lost a lot of army and could build additional stargates and voidrays to counter the broods and corruptors.


http://drop.sc/357085
Opponent: Spirit Map: Derelict Watcher

This game i thought i was really far ahead after scouting his roach push. I overcommited on defense though and didnt have enough colossi in time ( i think? ) or was it again the engagement position on derelict watcher? I cant shake the feeling that there has to be a better point for me to engage than there, between my natural and third, its sooo wide open for the zerg.



overall thoughts:

- am i doing enough damage with my phoenix?
- how do i keep scouting? With two spores in each base, several queens and hydras, my phoenix get taken down extremely quickly, thus making me wary of scouting. but i think this keeps loosing me games.
- Am i being aggressive enough? Should i incorporate a zealot-stalker-MSC push in the early game? It would delay my stargate, but maybe it would be worth it, if im able to force enough zerglings? Are there any other ways to be aggressive, maybe a warp prism before colossus? but then i wouldnt have an immortal..

Sorry this became a really Long post; i would be really thankful for advice though!!

GLHF Teamliquid,

Trident