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On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I made the horrible horrible embarrasing mistake of actually trying play this game again. I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me, but I made you guys a graph of how every single game went + Show Spoiler +How the fuck do I stop THIS from happening. No matter what comp, no matter what race I'm facing. It's pathetic that I can never win a single big fight. It's like if the protoss gets a single colossus I should just GG right there cause then THIS happens, I'm too shit to yank with vipers and usually die before I get them. THIS happens against terran, and against zerg too. I mean, every single aspect of my game is shit, I'm only gold leauge and a crappy one at that, but I need to know how to stop this from happening before I'll ever improve. Who am I kidding? Dont fucking bother helping me I'm never gonna get better anyway. I'll ignore any advice you give, I always do.
Having a setback with your mental game I see. 
It'll turn around, gogo play and train more and you'll see that things will get better.
Btw, gold is like pr0 these days with daed gam going and everything, and only the best players left!
glgl
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On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I made the horrible horrible embarrasing mistake of actually trying play this game again. I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me, but I made you guys a graph of how every single game went + Show Spoiler +How the fuck do I stop THIS from happening. No matter what comp, no matter what race I'm facing. It's pathetic that I can never win a single big fight. It's like if the protoss gets a single colossus I should just GG right there cause then THIS happens, I'm too shit to yank with vipers and usually die before I get them. THIS happens against terran, and against zerg too. I mean, every single aspect of my game is shit, I'm only gold leauge and a crappy one at that, but I need to know how to stop this from happening before I'll ever improve. Who am I kidding? Dont fucking bother helping me I'm never gonna get better anyway. I'll ignore any advice you give, I always do.
guitars pls
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On March 07 2015 00:22 Defenestrator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 23:10 Mortarion wrote:
What are the recommended macro builds per matchup in the current meta? See top of this page (page 244). Show nested quote +On March 06 2015 23:59 NaboliC wrote:
This time I really took my time in game and was frustrated as a motherfucker. I flew very close to some tanks and pressed D about 5 times without anything happening. It worked in the beginning but later the ability disappeared. Is terran doing something with it's imba ravens?
Are you sure you hit D and not "S" or "F"? That happens to me too... =P There's nothing your opponent can do to stop abducts, it's something that's screwing up in your micro.
You know, I've had vipers seemingly forget how to abduct as well. I know I was hitting the button correctly because the vipers would move into range, but not abduct. I wonder if it's a bug...
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On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me
I won't help you with your gameplay but I can help you with the screenshot thing. When you take a screenshot in Starcraft 2 it goes to a specific folder, copy paste won't work.
..\Documents\StarCraft II\Accounts\54562249\1-S2-1-1014061\Screenshots
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On March 08 2015 17:19 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I made the horrible horrible embarrasing mistake of actually trying play this game again. I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me, but I made you guys a graph of how every single game went + Show Spoiler +How the fuck do I stop THIS from happening. No matter what comp, no matter what race I'm facing. It's pathetic that I can never win a single big fight. It's like if the protoss gets a single colossus I should just GG right there cause then THIS happens, I'm too shit to yank with vipers and usually die before I get them. THIS happens against terran, and against zerg too. I mean, every single aspect of my game is shit, I'm only gold leauge and a crappy one at that, but I need to know how to stop this from happening before I'll ever improve. Who am I kidding? Dont fucking bother helping me I'm never gonna get better anyway. I'll ignore any advice you give, I always do. You stop it from happening with diferent compositions differently :D Post some replays pls :D
No replays... I kind of BM myself at the end of both games
On March 08 2015 18:28 Chochlik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I made the horrible horrible embarrasing mistake of actually trying play this game again. I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me, but I made you guys a graph of how every single game went + Show Spoiler +How the fuck do I stop THIS from happening. No matter what comp, no matter what race I'm facing. It's pathetic that I can never win a single big fight. It's like if the protoss gets a single colossus I should just GG right there cause then THIS happens, I'm too shit to yank with vipers and usually die before I get them. THIS happens against terran, and against zerg too. I mean, every single aspect of my game is shit, I'm only gold leauge and a crappy one at that, but I need to know how to stop this from happening before I'll ever improve. Who am I kidding? Dont fucking bother helping me I'm never gonna get better anyway. I'll ignore any advice you give, I always do. Maybe not wrong composition... I see some other options here: 1) geting supply block to offen 2) beenig behind in upgreades at least by 2 3) dosent produce enough Drones early on 4) fighting in bad engagement (fighting in choke, at ramp, geting surrounded, "A+Move" on mine feild) You grafh shouldent never look like you painted by the all length not just the end + Show Spoiler +In ideal scenario Zerg produce as many Drones early on by cost of his army value and whan haves enough economy to overproduce oponent starts nonstop unit production to overproduce and overwhelm oponent by fighting in most open place. But I cant tell exacly wath You did wrong just by hand draw
3. seems to be the problem then. I got some actualy screenshots now to show you guys.
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On March 08 2015 21:06 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I made the horrible horrible embarrasing mistake of actually trying play this game again. I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me, but I made you guys a graph of how every single game went + Show Spoiler +How the fuck do I stop THIS from happening. No matter what comp, no matter what race I'm facing. It's pathetic that I can never win a single big fight. It's like if the protoss gets a single colossus I should just GG right there cause then THIS happens, I'm too shit to yank with vipers and usually die before I get them. THIS happens against terran, and against zerg too. I mean, every single aspect of my game is shit, I'm only gold leauge and a crappy one at that, but I need to know how to stop this from happening before I'll ever improve. Who am I kidding? Dont fucking bother helping me I'm never gonna get better anyway. I'll ignore any advice you give, I always do. Having a setback with your mental game I see. It'll turn around, gogo play and train more and you'll see that things will get better. Btw, gold is like pr0 these days with daed gam going and everything, and only the best players left! glgl
My mentality is... well it's not pretty. thanks though
On March 08 2015 23:16 xtorn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I made the horrible horrible embarrasing mistake of actually trying play this game again. I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me, but I made you guys a graph of how every single game went + Show Spoiler +How the fuck do I stop THIS from happening. No matter what comp, no matter what race I'm facing. It's pathetic that I can never win a single big fight. It's like if the protoss gets a single colossus I should just GG right there cause then THIS happens, I'm too shit to yank with vipers and usually die before I get them. THIS happens against terran, and against zerg too. I mean, every single aspect of my game is shit, I'm only gold leauge and a crappy one at that, but I need to know how to stop this from happening before I'll ever improve. Who am I kidding? Dont fucking bother helping me I'm never gonna get better anyway. I'll ignore any advice you give, I always do. guitars pls
sorry babe, <3 u though
On March 09 2015 02:18 Alesti wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me I won't help you with your gameplay but I can help you with the screenshot thing. When you take a screenshot in Starcraft 2 it goes to a specific folder, copy paste won't work. ..\Documents\StarCraft II\Accounts\54562249\1-S2-1-1014061\Screenshots
thanks brah
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hey guys,
I need help in ZvP.
I usually get a fairly quick 3rd, (like pool hatch queen queen 3rd hatch) both vs FFE and gateway first but then I have trouble defending it against the little pressure the P usually sends my way.(mostly vs gate first)
Most of the time it s a 3/4 gate zealot sentry MsC push that hits around 7min, sometimes before, sometimes a bit after. I usually dont even have any roaches and my zerglings get absolutely crushed.
So here is the question: how do you defend a 3rd vs gateway first and FFE? I know FFE will delay the attack by about a minute so I have roaches then but I usually just screw up anyways. I think my BO is outdated and unrefined. I usually have about 4 5 drones at my 3rd only when that hits and about 16 lings
Thanks a million!
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SC2John's guide to ZvP offers a bit on the subject:
Against gateway expansion, your first priority is finding out if you're going to be facing heavy warpgate pressure very early or whether you'll be dealing with a more gradual approach to aggression. When your opponent ends up with an early forge in his natural wall, you can feel safe in knowing that heavy warpgate aggression will not be coming your way until after about 8:00, though there are still a few pokes with sentries around 6:30-7:00 (known as “the NonY build”) that you need to be aware of and respond to with ten to fourteen lings and a few queens. With this configuration, Protoss has invested into early tech and simply cannot have the money to add additional gateways and commit to an attack at the same time as teching. However, this sets up stronger mid games and makes two base attacks much scarier.
If you scout a total of three to four gateways, it's likely your opponent is going for some sort of warpgate pressure, usually in the form of zealots. The primary purpose of these builds is for the Protoss player to do some sort of damage at your third base and/or force out a lot of units while they get to two base saturation and a fairly equal economy. Ideally, the best way to handle fast warp gate pressure is to have excellent vision coverage with overlords and zerglings and build around twelve zerglings at 6:00 to deny any proxy pylons from going down. If the pylon does go down, speed, often times, will have just finished and you can make ~30 lings to defend. Against more aggressive variants such as the Sangate, you'll need emergency roaches in order to hold off the attack. Roaches are also needed if you missed the pylon and were unprepared for the aggression. In order to deal with the Sangate, just make a roach warren between 5:30-6:00, as soon as possible, and go up to two gases (putting drones back on to gas if you went early speed).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/467244-tl-strategy-presents-scouting-in-zvp#vsgatefe
I don't know much about how to deal with Protoss builds, but if you want to defend your third hatch against a 4 gate, you can't have many drones in your natural, or you'll simply not have enough lings to deal with the zealots. 16 + 8 drones already support steady ling production from three bases, and that's even assuming constant injects on all hatches. If you're going emergency roaches, you need two gases and hence a few more drones.
Zealot attacks from FFE are really old school, though, and easy to stop with roaches and 2 base saturation (roach warren at 6:30 versus an FFE Protoss without gases at his natural). You actually need the roaches, though, because of +1 on the zealots; zerglings do hardly anything against those.
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On March 09 2015 06:55 velvex wrote:SC2John's guide to ZvP offers a bit on the subject: Show nested quote +
Against gateway expansion, your first priority is finding out if you're going to be facing heavy warpgate pressure very early or whether you'll be dealing with a more gradual approach to aggression. When your opponent ends up with an early forge in his natural wall, you can feel safe in knowing that heavy warpgate aggression will not be coming your way until after about 8:00, though there are still a few pokes with sentries around 6:30-7:00 (known as “the NonY build”) that you need to be aware of and respond to with ten to fourteen lings and a few queens. With this configuration, Protoss has invested into early tech and simply cannot have the money to add additional gateways and commit to an attack at the same time as teching. However, this sets up stronger mid games and makes two base attacks much scarier.
If you scout a total of three to four gateways, it's likely your opponent is going for some sort of warpgate pressure, usually in the form of zealots. The primary purpose of these builds is for the Protoss player to do some sort of damage at your third base and/or force out a lot of units while they get to two base saturation and a fairly equal economy. Ideally, the best way to handle fast warp gate pressure is to have excellent vision coverage with overlords and zerglings and build around twelve zerglings at 6:00 to deny any proxy pylons from going down. If the pylon does go down, speed, often times, will have just finished and you can make ~30 lings to defend. Against more aggressive variants such as the Sangate, you'll need emergency roaches in order to hold off the attack. Roaches are also needed if you missed the pylon and were unprepared for the aggression. In order to deal with the Sangate, just make a roach warren between 5:30-6:00, as soon as possible, and go up to two gases (putting drones back on to gas if you went early speed).
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/467244-tl-strategy-presents-scouting-in-zvp#vsgatefeI don't know much about how to deal with Protoss builds, but if you want to defend your third hatch against a 4 gate, you can't have many drones in your natural, or you'll simply not have enough lings to deal with the zealots. 16 + 8 drones already support steady ling production from three bases, and that's even assuming constant injects on all hatches. If you're going emergency roaches, you need two gases and hence a few more drones. Zealot attacks from FFE are really old school, though, and easy to stop with roaches and 2 base saturation (roach warren at 6:30 versus an FFE Protoss without gases at his natural). You actually need the roaches, though, because of +1 on the zealots; zerglings do hardly anything against those.
thanks a lot! I wasnt able to find this thread before posting.
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On March 09 2015 06:24 WGT-Baal wrote:
hey guys,
I need help in ZvP.
I usually get a fairly quick 3rd, (like pool hatch queen queen 3rd hatch) both vs FFE and gateway first but then I have trouble defending it against the little pressure the P usually sends my way.(mostly vs gate first)
Most of the time it s a 3/4 gate zealot sentry MsC push that hits around 7min, sometimes before, sometimes a bit after. I usually dont even have any roaches and my zerglings get absolutely crushed.
So here is the question: how do you defend a 3rd vs gateway first and FFE? I know FFE will delay the attack by about a minute so I have roaches then but I usually just screw up anyways. I think my BO is outdated and unrefined. I usually have about 4 5 drones at my 3rd only when that hits and about 16 lings
Thanks a million!
As a first thought, one thing that I believe makes it hard for you to begin with is that you get 2 queens very early with a 3rd base. You need a ton of minerals to afford all of that and cannot really go gas fast, so you cannot have ling speed. Or you are screwing your economy to get ling speed too and you will notice you cannot really use all the larva from your double injects.
Against Gateway Expand type of play I'm not 100% sure of the timings I'm using, because it depends a lot on what I scout but like you I'm trying to get a third base up very quickly.
But my general thought process in killing gateway pressure is that:
from starting an extractor to finished zergling speed it is ~3:30min, so you either have an extractor starting at latest around 4:00, probably even earlier. But with that fast of a gas (started before the extra gateways come down), taking a third really fast isn't really economical. So what I rather do is that I'm going for something like a 4:30 or 5min gas and when I identify the gateway pressure/allin I build a roach warren around 5mins as well, which takes only 1min to complete. From there with good micro of roach/queen with slowling support on creep these sort of attacks should be stopable. Also, don't be afraid to have your saturation really low against these sorts of attacks. A Protoss sacrifices a lot of economy (chronoboosting the warpgate) and tech (only 1gas, no tech besides warpgate, no upgrades) in doing so. As long as you are building a costefficient army against what he is building, it is ok to be on equal mining (25-30drones).
Against FFE I usually try to go for the very WoL-ish opening with
1queen
3 hatches (the third one between 18 and 21supply)
add your next two queens once you realize you are getting low on larva (so basically have the mindset that drones are better than queens early)
gasless until exactly 6:00 (start 2extractors) and also start your roach warren around that time
stay as low as possible on zerglings and if some 1-3 zealot moveout comes along, try to deal with it through queen micro and at most 2pairs of lings per zealot
this opening gives you enough flexibility to either:
- tech to lair with your first 100gas (opponent relatively passive or going for a delayed allin like 2base blink or immortal/sentry)
- get zergling speed with your first 100gas (always nice to have, especially if you plan on not playing very roachheavy in the midame)
- get roaches in case of immidiate warpgate pressure
alternatively you can take your gas(es) a little earlier to get a faster ling speed or roaches up to pressure if your opponent looks like he is expanding, but be aware that cuts into your economy and tech a little bit
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I was gonna upload a few replays for you guys, but my usual site appears to be dead. What's an alternative to drop.sc?
More self-BM at the end of these replays though, I think my mindset is the biggest thing holding me back but also my complete lack of multitasking skills and horrible horrible control also screw me over. Oh and lack of game knowledge, someone who watches as much as me should know a thing or two but not really I'm quite dumb actually. I'm pretty sure gold league is my peak tbh, I don't actually feel like I CAN improve past this point 
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ggtracker.com works for me too.
Time to get rid of that suicidal mindset and get you into platinum (where people are going to destroy you just as hard - because 50% winrate either way - and you won't even notice the difference  )
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On March 08 2015 21:06 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I made the horrible horrible embarrasing mistake of actually trying play this game again. I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me, but I made you guys a graph of how every single game went + Show Spoiler +How the fuck do I stop THIS from happening. No matter what comp, no matter what race I'm facing. It's pathetic that I can never win a single big fight. It's like if the protoss gets a single colossus I should just GG right there cause then THIS happens, I'm too shit to yank with vipers and usually die before I get them. THIS happens against terran, and against zerg too. I mean, every single aspect of my game is shit, I'm only gold leauge and a crappy one at that, but I need to know how to stop this from happening before I'll ever improve. Who am I kidding? Dont fucking bother helping me I'm never gonna get better anyway. I'll ignore any advice you give, I always do. Having a setback with your mental game I see. It'll turn around, gogo play and train more and you'll see that things will get better. Btw, gold is like pr0 these days with daed gam going and everything, and only the best players left!glgl
Is this actually true? I haven't played SC2 in well over a year (only been watching). Updating it currently. I was Masters Rank 2 back in WoL... should I expect to struggle heavily in Gold/Plat now? Just so I don't get down on myself mentally if I do.
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On March 09 2015 15:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:I was gonna upload a few replays for you guys, but my usual site appears to be dead. What's an alternative to drop.sc? More self-BM at the end of these replays though, I think my mindset is the biggest thing holding me back but also my complete lack of multitasking skills and horrible horrible control also screw me over. Oh and lack of game knowledge, someone who watches as much as me should know a thing or two but not really I'm quite dumb actually. I'm pretty sure gold league is my peak tbh, I don't actually feel like I CAN improve past this point
I think the only thing is to fix your mindset somehow. It's literally impossible to get better at this game if you're feeling as negative as you seem to be. I was the exact same way. I raged/BM'd after every loss, even my wins didn't feel good b/c I felt I was "supposed" to win. Hahaha. And this was when I was just in Plat/Diamond in WoL! I didn't realize how shitty I was in comparison to actually good players that I was trying to emulate until I went to a live tournament.
At that point, I thought, "I'm not good enough to play this way yet, so why do I expect myself to? I'll improve at my own rate." I resolved then to just be positive, study my replays, do micro battles, and never ever BM. I literally remember myself clutching my hands after games so I wouldn't type anything at my opponent. Starcraft is such a harsh game to improve in because (esp. in SC2) the interface and everything is so... lonely. It feels like it's just you against the world of cheesers and maphackers and whoever else.
You have to be positive man. I know it sounds like some cheesy advice, but it's really all you can do. Your multitasking physically cannot improve unless you mentally think it can. The human body doesn't work that way. You aren't going to hit Abducts that you're telling yourself subconsciously that you won't hit. I know the easy way out "Protoss bullshit" "Play a real race", I've been there more times than I can count. But man, if everyone played Zerg as well, this game would be so boring lol. I don't post on here as much as I used to but someone with your post count and post frequency is clearly watching enough SC2 to improve and learn from what he sees. I've noticed your posts in LRs as well and you know what you're talking about. So the only obstacle is yourself.
It's hard. Maybe play with music on that makes you happy instead of game sounds so you're slightly more positive? (this also helps with your drop/minimap awareness so you aren't reliant on game alerts). I know you said you don't want advice but I'll continue giving it if you ask because I know just how you feel.
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SGTK bring out the replays and let us help you!
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On March 10 2015 01:41 Big J wrote:SGTK bring out the replays and let us help you!
I will when I'm home from work
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On March 06 2015 00:37 velvex wrote:Copying my reply from another thread:
Can anyone post some builds from reddit, for some strange reason The sc2 zerg reddit is Invisible to me, like all text is white on a white background.
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Hi,
when going 2 base speed into 5:30 3rd base against 3-4 gate pressure usually you make a bunch of lings at around 30 drones to delay his push and add in a few more drones and a roach warren if he continues pushing.
I'm wondering if someone knows a strategy to hold off that kind of prolonged aggression without getting roaches. I'm a big fan of ling+hydra/upgraded lings and i allready know 2 base builds however i want to know if there is a way to go for 3 bases without roaches against theses pressure builds that could work at masters+.
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On March 10 2015 00:01 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2015 21:06 Cascade wrote:On March 08 2015 17:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So I made the horrible horrible embarrasing mistake of actually trying play this game again. I couldn't take a screenshot for some reason it just doesn't work for me, but I made you guys a graph of how every single game went + Show Spoiler +How the fuck do I stop THIS from happening. No matter what comp, no matter what race I'm facing. It's pathetic that I can never win a single big fight. It's like if the protoss gets a single colossus I should just GG right there cause then THIS happens, I'm too shit to yank with vipers and usually die before I get them. THIS happens against terran, and against zerg too. I mean, every single aspect of my game is shit, I'm only gold leauge and a crappy one at that, but I need to know how to stop this from happening before I'll ever improve. Who am I kidding? Dont fucking bother helping me I'm never gonna get better anyway. I'll ignore any advice you give, I always do. Having a setback with your mental game I see. It'll turn around, gogo play and train more and you'll see that things will get better. Btw, gold is like pr0 these days with daed gam going and everything, and only the best players left!glgl Is this actually true? I haven't played SC2 in well over a year (only been watching). Updating it currently. I was Masters Rank 2 back in WoL... should I expect to struggle heavily in Gold/Plat now? Just so I don't get down on myself mentally if I do.
Depends, some old grandmasters from WoL (low gm) are now hovering in diamond. I wouldn't say an old masters player would be down to gold level but probably would be plat or low diamond. Unless you got masters when it first came out in WoL then quit, in which case you probably are gold.
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I got placed in Plat haha, playing mostly Diamonds. Oh JEEZ my mechanics are awful and so rusty I want to cry lmao! Time to begin the ladder grind again!
edit: Is it safest to go 15p 16h in ZvT now? Because I've been going hatch first and struggling heavily against these fast reaper bunker rushes...
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On March 10 2015 21:54 Flonomenalz wrote:
I got placed in Plat haha, playing mostly Diamonds. Oh JEEZ my mechanics are awful and so rusty I want to cry lmao! Time to begin the ladder grind again!
edit: Is it safest to go 15p 16h in ZvT now? Because I've been going hatch first and struggling heavily against these fast reaper bunker rushes...
I'm usually doing 15h 16g 15p on longer maps and 15h, 15p, 17g on shorter maps. And gasless on Expedition Lost because there are no reaper jumping spots.
And then 4-6zerglings the moment the pool finishes. Bunkers are evil though, but since I'm not encountering them too often I'm not sure how to react to them exactly. In any case, I always scout for them, which might be why terrans don't even attempt them.
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