The HotS Terran Help Me Thread - Page 90

On June 02 2013 00:30 Aquila- wrote:



Thanks, I should get medivacs anyway for healing and mobility. I also have to try out if enough hellbats and medivacs can outheal the locusts but I dont think they will^^

On June 02 2013 20:30 BattleWhisk wrote:
Hi, I'm silver league and fairly terrible at the game (why else would I be in silver). I finally have enough spare time to practice a lot, though and my aim is to get to platinum level (or at least close) within 3 weeks (I'm able to play 30 ish games a day right now).

So lots of practice is great and all and I am definitely improving my macro, and am sort of following FilterSC's videos to help me improve. The thing is I was doing the 1 rax FE style from his WoL tutorial, but from what I've felt so far (and read on the first page here) that isn't the best due to the high number of builds that punish it. In his HoTS videos he goes reaper expand, which I'm trying, but I'm failing even more because of the multi-tasking requirements the reaper places on me. I get that it's just a late scout and I'm not trying to use it to harrass, but because it's later they have enough units for it to be very difficult to keep alive long enough to get any decent information and I feel as though I lack units to deal with early pressure (could likely be poor macro, mind).

Anyway, my real question is whether it's worth me sticking to this reaper expand and struggle through, losing a fair amount of games and force myself to get better at control and multi-tasking and maybe just put a bunker down out of precaution to deal with early pressure? Or the other option is to go back to 1 rax FE WoL style and just improve my macro enough to push on through and learn other builds from then on. Or should I ignore both of these builds completely and learn something different? I want to avoid multiple builds as in one for each matchup for at least another week if at all possible. Has HoTS changed too much about the game for one build to be safe in all matchups now?

I don't enjoy going mech for some reason, so I'd rather avoid that if at all possible.

On June 02 2013 20:30 BattleWhisk wrote:
Hi, I'm silver league and fairly terrible at the game (why else would I be in silver). I finally have enough spare time to practice a lot, though and my aim is to get to platinum level (or at least close) within 3 weeks (I'm able to play 30 ish games a day right now).

So lots of practice is great and all and I am definitely improving my macro, and am sort of following FilterSC's videos to help me improve. The thing is I was doing the 1 rax FE style from his WoL tutorial, but from what I've felt so far (and read on the first page here) that isn't the best due to the high number of builds that punish it. In his HoTS videos he goes reaper expand, which I'm trying, but I'm failing even more because of the multi-tasking requirements the reaper places on me. I get that it's just a late scout and I'm not trying to use it to harrass, but because it's later they have enough units for it to be very difficult to keep alive long enough to get any decent information and I feel as though I lack units to deal with early pressure (could likely be poor macro, mind).

Anyway, my real question is whether it's worth me sticking to this reaper expand and struggle through, losing a fair amount of games and force myself to get better at control and multi-tasking and maybe just put a bunker down out of precaution to deal with early pressure? Or the other option is to go back to 1 rax FE WoL style and just improve my macro enough to push on through and learn other builds from then on. Or should I ignore both of these builds completely and learn something different? I want to avoid multiple builds as in one for each matchup for at least another week if at all possible. Has HoTS changed too much about the game for one build to be safe in all matchups now?

I don't enjoy going mech for some reason, so I'd rather avoid that if at all possible.

On June 02 2013 21:01 govie wrote:
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A build doesnt make u loose games, execution of your build does.

I was told that macro+scouting gets u in masters, without any supersick micro at all. I would not focus on micro/multitasking but only :

1. macro;
2. scouting;
3. your reaction to what u have scouted (with whatever build u prefer).

Reaperexpand is usefull for scouting what ur opponent is up too and pretty standard. If u look at your replays and see your macro is lacking because of ur early reapermicro, then maybe it isnt a good choice to harras with the reaper much (because the damage to your infrastructure and supply is higher then the damage dealt which will snowball u later on in the game). U can still use 1 suicidereaper for scouting ofcourse.

On June 02 2013 21:01 Emporium wrote:
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I would suggest that you a bunker down at the level your playing at, as you are correct in suggesting that your micro won't be good enough to hold off early aggro, don't underestimate bunkers, they are really good in all formats of the game, early, mid and late.

Again at the level your playing 1 safe build would/should be sufficient at all the MU's, as long as you scout well enough, then you should be able to react off of it, to try and defend any pressure, or become more greedy from what you scout.

On June 02 2013 20:57 SRGrasshopper wrote:
Plat Terran here.
What's the best way to defend 8-10 minute roach pushes after going CC first?
I'm currently using Flash's CC First Hellion Aggression, transitioning into bio-mine for the most part.
They seem to hit just as my production is coming online but before I've amassed any decent army size.
I can't scout the roach warren with a reaper because CC first doesn't allow for early gas
My hellions can seize map control easily enough, but when I see roaches I can't be sure whether he's committing to a timing or just pumping 2-3 to stave off my hellions.
I hesitate to insta build a tank as that greatly slows my mine production.
Should mines (production started after 4-6 hellions/when I see roaches) + rines in bunkers (maybe a marauder) be able to hold this off alone? We're talking some serious roach numbers here, usually followed up by either more roaches or a speedling flood into my nat.
Is there a particular response to 2 base zerg aggression in general?
P.S It's not that this push necessarily always kills me, but it often puts me far enough behind that I can't keep up in the mid-game, leaving me completely sunk when Ultra's eventually pop.

On June 03 2013 02:32 Aveng3r wrote:
I just played a tvt where the guy went nothing but marines and ravens, with a few tanks. he spammed seeker missles to shred my tank lines and basically decimated my army. I was going marine tank and eventually got to battlecruiser viking marine tank but he still crushed right through. I just couldnt get away from the missles in time even when I went into full retreat when I saw that I was being targeted. Any suggestions here?

On June 03 2013 04:12 govie wrote:


show replay, because i think ur problems started before the ravens came.

On June 02 2013 20:30 BattleWhisk wrote:
Hi, I'm silver league and fairly terrible at the game (why else would I be in silver). I finally have enough spare time to practice a lot, though and my aim is to get to platinum level (or at least close) within 3 weeks (I'm able to play 30 ish games a day right now).

So lots of practice is great and all and I am definitely improving my macro, and am sort of following FilterSC's videos to help me improve. The thing is I was doing the 1 rax FE style from his WoL tutorial, but from what I've felt so far (and read on the first page here) that isn't the best due to the high number of builds that punish it. In his HoTS videos he goes reaper expand, which I'm trying, but I'm failing even more because of the multi-tasking requirements the reaper places on me. I get that it's just a late scout and I'm not trying to use it to harrass, but because it's later they have enough units for it to be very difficult to keep alive long enough to get any decent information and I feel as though I lack units to deal with early pressure (could likely be poor macro, mind).

Anyway, my real question is whether it's worth me sticking to this reaper expand and struggle through, losing a fair amount of games and force myself to get better at control and multi-tasking and maybe just put a bunker down out of precaution to deal with early pressure? Or the other option is to go back to 1 rax FE WoL style and just improve my macro enough to push on through and learn other builds from then on. Or should I ignore both of these builds completely and learn something different? I want to avoid multiple builds as in one for each matchup for at least another week if at all possible. Has HoTS changed too much about the game for one build to be safe in all matchups now?

I don't enjoy going mech for some reason, so I'd rather avoid that if at all possible.

On June 03 2013 10:13 Smackzilla wrote:

Stick with reaper FE, but don't feel obligated to get worker kills with them. Try to just us them for scouting and save the harass micro for when you feel more comfortable with your multitasking. Just focus on scouting at the right time to uncover any shenanigans. For example:

TvP: @ 4 mins or so, you can figure out if a stargate is proxied. At 5:30 you can see blink researching or a dark shrine warping in.

TvZ: 5:30 or a littler earlier, you can see if there's a roach warren.

On June 03 2013 10:33 Frij wrote:
In TvZ, what should I be spending my gas on lategame? I just watched select's stream and he seemed to be stuck in the midgame of a TvZ as while his opponent was on 4+ base and he was on 4 base, he had a gas bank of ~3k and the opponent was still muta-ling-bane. Should I be doing something else with that gas if I was in that position?

On June 03 2013 10:33 Frij wrote:
In TvZ, what should I be spending my gas on lategame? I just watched select's stream and he seemed to be stuck in the midgame of a TvZ as while his opponent was on 4+ base and he was on 4 base, he had a gas bank of ~3k and the opponent was still muta-ling-bane. Should I be doing something else with that gas if I was in that position?