[G] HTOMario's Understanding TvP mech. - Page 7

On March 29 2013 08:34 Qikz wrote:


Isn't relying on hunter seeker for shields a bit of a gamble?

On March 29 2013 08:34 Qikz wrote:


Isn't relying on hunter seeker for shields a bit of a gamble?

On March 29 2013 10:53 HTOMario wrote:


If he runs his entire army away sure, however you're probably getting shots off and while he waits for shields you re gain energy. You can also use EMP however seeker missile works great and helps prepare for air tech changes.

On March 29 2013 18:53 Mali__Slon wrote:


That is some really great analysis. How many ravens should be enough?

On March 30 2013 03:08 Aiursc wrote:
All of these unorthodox TvP compositions are really hard to deal with since everyone goes bio and I have no knowledge of how to play against them. I played one mech player in hots and got destroyed :D I hope to face more mech players so I can learn to play against it better.

On April 03 2013 07:25 avilo wrote:
If your opponent goes tempests with templar, you have to play really, really well to beat it. Just remember if they start going into that that tanks become worse and worse as the game goes on and you really have to already have started to accumulate point defense drones or you will be screwed.

The other thing you can do when the opponent reaches 10+ tempests is to make pure vikings and hellbats. This only works late, late game due to the fact hellbats are 2 supply and so are vikings, so you can try to overpower that one tempest army with mass vikings and good spreading vs templar while using some vehicle blue flame hellions to snipe templar, and all the rest in hellbat mode as your army.

Otherwise, if the game goes to lategame with mech vs P you really play it the same way as every other Terran lategame - start to accumulate raven+vikings to negate tempest shots (you need 6-7 PDD in order to have an invincible army vs tempests) and then just go pure thor on the ground with some hellbats and a couple ghosts.

Mech vs P is difficult, i don't think it's optimal, and it'll only work really well on maps like daybreak and such where there are few attack paths. Well, technically mech vs P can work anywhere on anything with the rule of "if you killed 30 of their workers with banshees, hellbats, widow mines... then mech it 'will work'."

On April 03 2013 05:23 ThePianoDentist wrote:
Hi mario, I came unstuck today against a guy who went hardcore 2 base tempest, he just dumped all his gas into going mass tempest as soon as he saw my 2nd factory go down with his obs.

I should have realised when harassing and seeing his army he wasnt massing immortals, hadnt gone colossi or twilight tech so must be going air but I didnt read it at the time.

I was just wondering next time if I can infer he is going for a ridiculously early air transition what steps should I take, as his tempests started bombarding me waaay before I throw up my 2nd and 3rd starports.

Should thor raven (pdd for tempests or seeker for voids) be a good counter to this. just wondered whether its worth making vikings at all this early (vikings dont seem too good against protoss air until you have a lot of them) or just sticking to raven thor until I have my 4th or are maxing out and can afford to throw down the extra starports

On February 14 2013 12:20 HTOMario wrote:
Keeping widow mines at expansions not only forces a detector there but it delays the expo and gives you the knowledge that it is going down.

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On April 03 2013 18:01 Railxp wrote:


I laughed so hard, I've just started getting back into Sc2 and this is just as evil as dt/lurker at expo points. WHERE DID MY PROBE GO I IKNOW I SENT IT THERE I KNOW IT FUCK YOU IM NOT CRAZY

On April 03 2013 18:28 ThePianoDentist wrote:


whats fun is having a group of hellions on standby and if he goes to clear out this one mine with his whole army (happens quite a bit) you just drive into his natural and kill all his probes there xD

On April 03 2013 13:03 HTOMario wrote:



Viking, raven, ghost, few thor and hellbat, works pretty well against mass tempest, it's a micro dance just like bio vs collosai / storm. Yes late game battles are hard to micro in every situation.

Mech isn't the best build style, bio is currently stronger. However mech is weaker on some maps just like terran or zerg or protoss is weaker on some, stronger on others. I'm able to make mech work great on nearly all maps.

I'm currently sitting at 60% win loss on NA floating inbetween 40-90 GM ranking. On Eu I am 66% win loss as 1100 points master. It's hard to judge if it's viable or not since it doesn't have much experimentation between top players in HOTS. I do know however that colstc, dragon, roxkisbratok and I are all able to make it work at high gm rankings after practicing for a while. I believe goody is doing really well too. I don't think mech HOTS or bio has been fully discovered and we'll just have to see how things turn out over time.

Thanks for your feed back!