The (HotS) Zerg Help Me Thread Beta - Page 18

On January 30 2013 17:52 JackRipper wrote:
How do you play a ZvZ where you go Mutas and the other person goes roaches? they seem to be able to stall by attacking and that gives them enough time to build enough spores/hydras. Do you have to transition back to roaches or is there a way to win with just muta? How many mutas is enough to fight of a hydra pack cost effectively?

On January 30 2013 01:50 Alpina wrote:
What are some good safe and decent economy ZvZ openings?

I usually go to 15H 15P, but it dies horribly for 10 pool baneling bust which comes even before any of my units spawn. Now i don't want to do 14/14 cause it's so bad economically vs. 15/15. What about 14H 14P or something like that?

On January 30 2013 19:01 blade55555 wrote:


You have to have roaches.hell bats are way way to good vs lings to make those and survive. If you make a roach warren and get those you should be able to survive any fast hellbat drop.

Seriously though I think hellbat drops are to strong, I don't think medivacs should be able to hold hellions in hellbat form imo.

On January 31 2013 00:10 Nyctophobia wrote:


Kind of what I was thinking. I'm not sure of the time the drop can hit at, but I'm skeptical that it's always possible to react to it fast enough after scouting it by starting a warren. I almost feel like I'd need to tech into roaches beforehand just in case that's what they're doing. But of course it could be that I suck.

On January 31 2013 09:35 foutre wrote:
I've been struggling lately versus mutalisks ZvZ. Hydras don't seem to work, roach/infestor seems to be a gamble, and obviously things that don't hit air get stomped. All I've found so far is that more mutas beat mutas, or a pre-lair timing. This seems like an awfully boring way for ZvZ to be.

That said I'm only playing at a low-masters level so I might just be missing something. Please help!

On January 31 2013 13:38 Ancamdrew wrote:
In this game he went mass tempest so I counter with mass corruptor... which forced me to lose all my bases to ground while I waited for my greater spire then he killed my broodlords with archon-stalker

no clue how to beat protoss anymore. I literally have a 30% win rate in the match-up

http://drop.sc/300842

On January 31 2013 14:04 blade55555 wrote:


I actually think going corruptor vs tempest is a fine decision. But you shouldn't be going only corruptor, should have other tech like ultras or something on the ground to.

On January 31 2013 14:30 Ancamdrew wrote:


I was trying to get a large amount of lings with all my minerals but zealots crush them. Was going hydras but in my oppinion they dont stand a chance late game against air-toss

On January 31 2013 09:38 blade55555 wrote:


Agreed. I think it's a must. If you don't you are goign to take immense damage or straight out die to those fast 1 medivac battle hellion drops or bio + battle hellion timing attacks.

On January 31 2013 17:13 aidosae wrote:
Hey guys,
I am currently clueless regarding ZvP. If the Protoss does a 2-base-allin then i most likely will win the game otherwise i just lose. I dont know what to do in lategame zvp. my usual plan is like:

3 hatch before gas into roach ling --> if he takes a third i will take my fourth and adding a hydra den. with hydras arriving i will pressure him a bit and tech to hive to get vipers. my final composition is ultra hydra viper (2-3 infestors).
But i just lose the game (wasnt different in WOL, dia zerg with like 80-85% win ratio in ZvZ, 70% in ZvT and 50% ZvP... :/).

I havent tried spire for corruptors yet. maybe i should give roach hydra viper corrupter a try? What do you think?

On January 31 2013 20:23 sunglasseson wrote:
i just started doing ladder on beta and im wondering what the deal with these widowmines are. they seem to be straight amazing vs zerg especially with drop ships or all ins. is the answer to terran atm early roach aggression?

On January 30 2013 19:16 doggy wrote:


Due to the fungal change and the new regeneration from mutas you dont have to transition out of muta. I like to stick to muta ling bane, its very important that you get baneling speed if your opponent goes ground based. Creep spread and attacking from all possible angles while not clumping any of your ling bling muta squads is very important to do that. If your opponent goes for hydras before infestors you most likely can kill him straight away.
However, most people tend to get infestors first (which is correct). To play against this style, you should get dropupgrades right after your baneling speed. Drops are a really strong followup to mutaplay, because your opponent wont have any overlord vision on the map, and you dont risk your muta flock while harassing, banes can do that job far more efficient.
Furthermore, overlords save your banelings from fungals/roach snipes, so you will get connections with them. I try to split up my mutas in 3 squads when i try to kill my opponents army, same goes for bane bombs, its best to attack from all angles possible. Furthermore you also want to go for banedrops in the minerallines and lingrunbys to every expo of your opponent while the engagement happens. Your opponent wont ever be able to fend of everything, its way too micro intensive, even vs high apm gm players. That being said, you should also consider that this style requires a absurdly high amount of apm from yourself. But its very funny
You also should never overcommit to muta, 11-14 in the early midgame and ~20 in the later stages of the game are more than enough. If youre capable of microing more than 3 mutaflocks at the same time, you could theoretically go for more. Ground attack upgrades are also very important, it makes the runbys, counterattacks and banebombs much more stronger
it works same as oldschool zvt when you wanna engage, kill the hydras with the banes, snipe the infestors with ling muta and let the mutas kill the rest once there isnt any more anti air.

Thats just my personal preference tho, muta into roach infestor still works pretty well too.



If you dont wanna 9 scout into hatch first you can also go for 15p/16h. You can snipe the banes with your queen and kill the lings with lings/drones.