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Miket2424
Profile Joined May 2012
United States26 Posts
November 23 2013 22:11 GMT
#1141
How does the JakaTakk method compare to Filter's method? Filter taught me macro mechanics and introduced me to a deeper level of play leading to Platinum promo.

The biggest mistake they made with the SC2 rolllout was focussing everything on the hypercompetive cutthroat ladder play, and then providing 0 resources for casual and new players to survive in that environment beyond cheesey tutorials.
B-rye88
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada168 Posts
November 23 2013 22:20 GMT
#1142
On November 24 2013 07:11 Miket2424 wrote:
How does the JakaTakk method compare to Filter's method? Filter taught me macro mechanics and introduced me to a deeper level of play leading to Platinum promo.

The biggest mistake they made with the SC2 rolllout was focussing everything on the hypercompetive cutthroat ladder play, and then providing 0 resources for casual and new players to survive in that environment beyond cheesey tutorials.


They are very similar, in that both methods focus on paring the game down to very simple, essential concepts and gradually building forward into more advanced play. They artificially restrict your decisions so that you can focus on a) continually making *A* decision and b) try to make the correct decision within a more limited framework.

JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
November 23 2013 22:26 GMT
#1143
TheStaircase and FilterSC Methods are very similar. I think you get to make more of your own decisions with TheStaircase whereas FilterSC's Method Restricts you to a specific build.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
ZardiChar
Profile Joined February 2012
United States21 Posts
November 24 2013 01:50 GMT
#1144
On November 23 2013 12:41 Tisdel wrote:

On the other hand, I feel like this is only going to bore a newer or less skilled player, rather than encourage him.


I don't know, I recently started playing again (haven't really played since WoL) and I am trying this to relearn. It is pretty fun to be beating golds with only mass unupgraded marines.
ZedraC
Profile Joined February 2011
South Africa109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 17:06:44
November 27 2013 16:39 GMT
#1145
Hi,

Thought i'd give this staircase a shot, but how do I change my US character on ggtracker to my EU character?

Edit, nevermind, i got it thanks.
"What am I supposed to build to kill the things that look like giant dung beetles that eventually show up?" - beginner on battlenet forums. LMAO
Mo0rbid
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden5 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-10 07:56:19
December 03 2013 18:48 GMT
#1146
wow, this sounds like what i need. great initative jak
NeoBlade
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 13:00:29
December 17 2013 12:58 GMT
#1147
Videos: NeoBladeSC2 (Youtube-Channel)
Content: TheStaircase Basics (Steps 0 to 3), Ladder-Games
Race: Protoss
Language: German [image loading]
Examples: #1, #2 and #3
Playlist: NeoBladeSC2 - TheStaircase meets MCL (Mental Checklist)
http://youtube.com/NeoBladeSC2
Nalincah
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany10 Posts
December 20 2013 21:14 GMT
#1148
How many Queens do I build for Step 0? And what are good indicators? In my first game I set my goal to gold, build a Hatch at the natural and 4 Queens and I wasn't even close to 50 Energy with 100% Creepspread around 27 min. Do I miss anything?
Fhiz
Profile Joined October 2013
361 Posts
December 21 2013 02:42 GMT
#1149
So this season I have played an awful lot (like 700 games :/) and I am still stuck in gold. I have a lot of my builds memorized and am looking to just increase my macro, I have always been hardcore in the games that i play (fairly new to sc2) the only thing I can think that I am lacking is obviously mechanics (since that is what will win you games). I figure I will give this a try, on that note would you recommend I just hammer this out multiple times until I meet all my goals (grandmaster/ master everything)? Or would you recommend me taking it slower and only going for 'gold' league goals/benchmarks?
girls generation make u feel da heat
CutTheEnemy
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada373 Posts
December 21 2013 03:21 GMT
#1150
There's 58 pages. I wonder if it's worth developing a mod to train with this. I might do that this next semester as a game design/programming project... (no promises)

Anyone think that there would be enough of a player base to justify it?
Can we help spread the word and create pressure to get Rob Pardo to replace Browder as head of Sc2? Pardo led the team for broodwar, frozen throne, and wow/BC. We need to make this a thing before LotV development starts. Think about it.
Snotgurg
Profile Joined December 2013
Netherlands1 Post
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 12:41:29
December 23 2013 12:40 GMT
#1151
I have a question about the benchmarks for the 3rd base saturation speed metric. The benchmarks for even the lower leagues are really low, i.e., between 1:00 to 1:30 minutes. My question is how people manage this? If I build a 3rd base when my first 2 are mineral saturated (2 x 16 workers), then it takes a at least several minutes before there are 16 more workers for base #3. Obviously people are "saving up" some workers that start working on base #3 once it gets built. What's wisdom here? Have 2x24 workers on bases #1 and #2 and send 2x8 to the base #3 once it's done?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
December 23 2013 15:48 GMT
#1152
For 3rd base saturation most players will have saved up a bit before their 3rd finishes. Don't stop building workers just because you've saturated your first 2 bases! This should help.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Nalincah
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany10 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 19:28:33
December 23 2013 19:28 GMT
#1153
Just started Step 1 as Zerg and for me it's amazing how good pure lings without speed works in silverleague. Won four out of five games, Spending Skill 2x Grandmaster, 1x Master, 1x Diamond and 1x Bronze and broke my personal APM Record (without spamming )

Edit: Just 1x Master, not 2x
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
December 23 2013 19:33 GMT
#1154
congrats! that is one of my favorite steps. counter attacks OP.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Nalincah
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany10 Posts
December 24 2013 16:48 GMT
#1155
At first I just A-Move my army and rally all of them to my enemy. But then I catch myself watching and controlling the fight and miss my Macro. How can I get rid of this behaviour?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 03:46:51
December 25 2013 03:46 GMT
#1156
Practice keeping a unit active on the map at all times. If it dies, replace it. It will be very hard at first, but if you stick with it, your multitasking will improve as you climb the staircase.

EDIT: start this at step 2
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Aroosc2
Profile Joined January 2014
7 Posts
January 03 2014 19:26 GMT
#1157
I've stared with this and passed step 1, now on step2 and start of season with all ppl doing 1 base all ins, hard to get into macro, so trying to play defensive now!

Having good fun, thx JaKaTak!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 04 2014 22:10 GMT
#1158
You're Welcome!
Glad you're having a good time
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 29 2014 16:24 GMT
#1159
Working on a revamp/revitalization of TheStaircase! New videos and other material will be out shortly. Please subscribe to youtube.com/tutorialcentralSc2 for the latest videos on TheStaircase (and probably some other useful stuff).

In other news...

Team Jmove


Team Jmove isn't just for users of TheCore or TheStaircase (although most of us are), anyone is welcome to join. The only requirement is that you don't act like an asshole, or put more accurately:

The goal of team Jmove is to have as much fun as possible playing Sc2, without impeding on the fun of others.

You might be a serious player in search of people to train 1v1s with, or an arcade only player. Maybe you just like to play team games. Maybe you just want to have that sweet Jmove Tag and logo of TheCore in game. Whatever your style is you are welcome to hang out with us and have a good time.

For the time being there is a 100 member limit and we're accepting everyone interested in joining on a first come first served basis

To be invited you have to be online at the same time as an officer (unfortunately thats just the way it works). So go to TheJaKaChaT group (not the chat channel but the group) when you're online and we'll invite you. If this doesn't work out, just PM me and we can set up a time.

EU Server is officially up and running for Jmove, but we don't currently have any EU players, so if you want to get things started on EU, PM me and we can meet to set it up. I'll be on the lookout for officers to run things in EU if there is enough interest.

Also, if you want to email me my email address is thejakatak@gmail.com.

GLHF!
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
MonkeyBot
Profile Joined June 2013
United States125 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 20:38:40
January 30 2014 18:19 GMT
#1160
Thanks for keeping this alive JaKaTaK. After playing SC2 since August 2012 and a good amount of BW and WC3 before that, I'm giving this a try from step 0, hoping to break some bad habits that are probably the reason I'm stuck in Silver. I'm also interested in joining Jmove, but I'll work that out through the Bnet group.

On December 21 2013 06:14 Nalincah wrote:
How many Queens do I build for Step 0? And what are good indicators? In my first game I set my goal to gold, build a Hatch at the natural and 4 Queens and I wasn't even close to 50 Energy with 100% Creepspread around 27 min. Do I miss anything?


I'm curious about this as well. I was thinking I'd set an arbitrary benchmark and constraints to beat before moving to Step 1, such as 4 queens, keep all below 50 energy and creep up a 1v1 map by 25 minutes or less? I was also thinking of trying to saturate 3 or 4 bases while doing it, though I know that creeps into (no pun intended) Step 1.

Edited to add: keeping energy below 50 is pretty tough with 4 queens! I'm thinking I'll add in injects on 3 bases and building overlords and drones until I max out, to work on preventing supply blocks. Still plan to leave spending to step 1. I guess you might call this step 0.5.?

Thanks again!
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