EPTedit: updating the spreadsheet now. I think this is actually pretty fucking awesome. take a look
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
edit: updating the spreadsheet now. I think this is actually pretty fucking awesome. take a look | ||
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somesuchnonsense
United States19 Posts
I was thinking something like this: -------------------------------RLM---RRM Ranged--------------------- E-------O Unit Production-----------G-------J Melee-------------------------4-------9 Spellcaster-----------------D-------L Queen/Nex/CC------------3-------0 Stalker-----------------------H-------H Harass-----------------------V------M Harass-----------------------B-------N Moco-------------------------Y--------Y Scout / Harass-----------X--------. Edit: looks like you are rearranging abilities to put stim on I instead of K? Certainly makes it more comfortable to hit from H. Added bonus of having stim on the same key as blink, since those CGs line up and serve much the same purpose within a fight. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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somesuchnonsense
United States19 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
The reason we put army on the pinky is so that we can have alternating fingers for thinks like Army 2 and Spellcaster that aren't on terrible keys. | ||
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HerrPfotig
Germany39 Posts
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somesuchnonsense
United States19 Posts
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On May 13 2014 06:53 HerrPfotig wrote: Please think long and hard about putting Production and CC on the same finger this is going to make "The Tab" really slow If I'm not mistaken, that isn't the plan? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
"The Tap" is something we've considered for this, as it is the main "loss" with moving the two macro keys to the same finger for protoss and terran (this is not an issue for zerg at all). "The Tap" with this layout could look more like: check worker production check army check unit production check army at any of these check points, the player will choose to produce when necessary as well as issue commands to the army when necessary. This is just a hypothesis, but maybe it would produce smoother multitasking because the army is being checked more often. | ||
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HerrPfotig
Germany39 Posts
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Antylamon
United States1981 Posts
On May 13 2014 07:07 HerrPfotig wrote: I dont know what the plan is.... look at the core master spreadsheet, its in the works with 0 and O as Macro CGs Oh, my bad, I couldn't find that section until now  | ||
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HerrPfotig
Germany39 Posts
adventureous, I like it :D | ||
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HerrPfotig
Germany39 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On May 13 2014 06:58 somesuchnonsense wrote: Hmm.. I see. Is it really that bad having army1, army2, and caster on the same finger? You'll alway be pressing at least one index/ring finger key in between, so it breaks up the finger repetition. OP9PLP doesn't feel any slower than JP9PLP to me. Having unit production and CC/Nex/Queen on different fingers seems more important to me, since those two CG are the two most likely to be pressed in sequence throughout the early to mid-midgame. mmm, I think you make a very good point. Going to see if there is a solution with the abilities that fits. | ||
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YoTcA
Germany151 Posts
At the moment 0 (zero) is considered for the Nexus/CC/Queens and O for the production buildings and the hatch. So both are on the middle finger. But having 0 (zero) as Nexus/CC/Queens hotkey, you could also use the index finger for pressing it and doing the tab. This gives repetition for the mule, but I think this is not that big a deal, because that key is not pressed that often and also not that time sensitive (imo). So I think it is worth testing. Btw: I just realised that U/T is considered a ring finger key. Always used it with my pinkie and it felt good ^^. Maybe by using U/T with the pinkie could make my first proposal of switching the usage of both fingers (ring and pinkie) viable again. This was one of the reason why I thought the pinkie would offer enough easy to use keys. But so far I also like the idea you came up with and would give it a try. edt: damn, this post took me too long ^^ | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
I think this works out really well, didn't even have to change anything. document is updated. @yotca pressing it with the index seems very uncomfortable, I don't think it would be worth the discomfort for avoiding the finger repetition. also, giving the pinky more keys means it makes even more sense to have it do abilities. EDIT: including the ghost for main army in terran is interesting, what do you all think? | ||
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YoTcA
Germany151 Posts
On May 13 2014 07:36 JaKaTaK wrote: also, giving the pinky more keys means it makes even more sense to have it do abilities. Yeah, that was my proposal in the first place  Or is this already coming? | ||
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somesuchnonsense
United States19 Posts
I really like the new hotkey for unseige/deactivate. It makes queueing up unseige, move, reseige a lot smoother. It doesn't seem like it would make a difference, but the Load hotkey could easily put on a much slower key. The only time I've ever used it, or seen it used on streams for that matter, is for a cute way to save SCVs on an un-upgraded CC. Otherwise it is just like move command, there is never a need to press it instead of just right clicking. Still, I might just be ignorant of some uses for it. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On May 13 2014 07:41 YoTcA wrote: Yeah, that was my proposal in the first place Or is this already coming? I fucked that up. I think it might work if we pressed T/U with the pinky, but I also think that is non-optimal. | ||
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Ninjury_J
Canada408 Posts
If I understand correctly, there are 5/23 keys pressed with the pinkie, 5/23 keys pressed with the middle, 6/23 keys pressed with the ring, and 7/23 keys pressed with the index. This fits very nicely, because there are exactly 10 control groups and 13 abilities. Further, this split is the one which makes the average key score between CGs and abilities the most alike (~6.7 and 6.9) I agree with you that double presses for the pinkie suck, but I think they are even worse on the ring. I think it may be a necessary evil, when it comes to control groups. | ||
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