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azurespace
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)39 Posts
September 29 2013 04:33 GMT
#5741
I have a question to people who use TheCore or Chameleon.

Is it really comfortable to use layered camera instead of function keys? I'm not sure.
UltiBahamut
Profile Joined October 2010
United States102 Posts
September 29 2013 06:54 GMT
#5742
I never used camera keys because they were on the function keys. Too far for me to reach, as soon as i figure out my hotkeys i plan on mixing in the camera hotkeys. Imo they will be much better to get in the core than the function keys just because they are right there, which is what this hotkey set up strives for imo.
"Thats Halo, Dont worry" Huk
mohanico
Profile Joined May 2013
7 Posts
September 29 2013 15:30 GMT
#5743
Hi Everyone!

I posted this bug about a month ago, but it seems like it got lost in the thread.

Could you guys recheck the camera keys on RRL 1.0? The keys for Create/Jump to Location 5 are bound to [Alt or Shift + 0] when it should be [Alt or Shift + 9].

Thanks!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 16:04:24
September 29 2013 15:53 GMT
#5744
So sorry about that mohanico. I'll check that out now.

The last two centered cameras are on 0 and 8. That is correct.
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Haighstrom
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom202 Posts
September 29 2013 16:58 GMT
#5745
I've been using the hotkey trainer which I'm finding great, but just wondered about the reasoning behind a couple of the ZRM hotkey decisions (obviously you're totally behind customization but I just wanted to understand the logic behind the defaults - or whether you'd consider my changes)

Upgrades

Generally we have
Speed/Armour: J
Ranged Attacks:I
Melee Attacks:O

Tunnelling Claws are K - I'm ok with this as this is a completely different type of upgrade
Locusts are U - again, OK with this because U is the hotkey for building swarmhosts
However Grooved Spines are H, wouldn't it make more sense for this to be I, as it's essentially an upgrade to ranged attack (the same way that Adrenal Glands are O)?

Spells

My only question on spells was around Vipers versus Infestors
They both have their spam spell as O as expected (consume/infested terrans). However it would feel more natural to me to have the area of effect spells the same - I'd rather see Fungal and Blinding cloud both as I, and Abduct/Neural both as /, since casting these pairs of spells feels very similar. Just wondered if there was some reason not to have these match up.

I'm going to play around with these remappings, but let me know if you have any thoughts!

Thanks
Haighstrom
Mar_1910
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland22 Posts
September 29 2013 20:38 GMT
#5746
I am using TheCore about 1year, starting from December '12.
I played around ~600 games (hard to count).

Using Random keys.

My problems are:

1. control groups like terran when i need to switch between diffrent buildings Barracs, Factory, Starports
2. same as 1 with protoss, but with robo
3. i am using
O - nexus, ccenter, hatchery
P - warpgates, barracks/factory's/starports

How do You deal with switching between them?
Or maybe any other ideas?
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 30 2013 01:31 GMT
#5747
On September 30 2013 05:38 Mar_1910 wrote:
I am using TheCore about 1year, starting from December '12.
I played around ~600 games (hard to count).

Using Random keys.

My problems are:

1. control groups like terran when i need to switch between diffrent buildings Barracs, Factory, Starports
2. same as 1 with protoss, but with robo
3. i am using
O - nexus, ccenter, hatchery
P - warpgates, barracks/factory's/starports

How do You deal with switching between them?
Or maybe any other ideas?

Are you talking about the next/previous subgroup buttons? In TheCore they are bound to extra mouse buttons but if you have a standard mouse (like I do) you can rebind them to whatever's most convenient.
jjakji fan
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
September 30 2013 08:22 GMT
#5748
Is this the new hotkey setup that ret uses?
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 30 2013 08:24 GMT
#5749
On September 30 2013 17:22 gaizka wrote:
Is this the new hotkey setup that ret uses?

No, Ret uses his own setup. He seems to approve of the concepts applied in this one at least.
jjakji fan
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
September 30 2013 08:28 GMT
#5750
Has he shared it?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
September 30 2013 14:45 GMT
#5751
I am in the process of building Ret a custom version of TheCore. It will be available for everyone as soon as it is finished, and he will likely be trying it after WCS Season 3 is over. (Same with TLO)
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
September 30 2013 18:13 GMT
#5752
Can you talk about the differences between the two version?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
September 30 2013 19:05 GMT
#5753
You mean what Ret is doing differently with his version? or TLO?
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
October 01 2013 04:08 GMT
#5754
I mean, the difference between the normal version that is in the thread for download and ret's custom one.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
October 01 2013 06:07 GMT
#5755
He only has hold position and attack move. No patrol, stop, or move. Still in the process of fleshing out the details.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
October 01 2013 07:04 GMT
#5756
Thank you.
FnaticPink
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark324 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 09:00:08
October 01 2013 08:59 GMT
#5757
On October 01 2013 15:07 JaKaTaK wrote:
He only has hold position and attack move. No patrol, stop, or move. Still in the process of fleshing out the details.


that sounds insanely stupid, a guy can just split up Rets entire army with 1 unit baiting half of it since ret can only move with attack-move.
kirika80
Profile Joined May 2011
Israel17 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 10:05:57
October 01 2013 10:02 GMT
#5758
On October 01 2013 17:59 FnaticPink wrote:
that sounds insanely stupid, a guy can just split up Rets entire army with 1 unit baiting half of it since ret can only move with attack-move.


No, *that* sounds insanely stupid. Just because he doesn't have a keybind for Move doesn't magically remove the mouse's right-click. Personally, I can't remember actually using the 'move' key.
Seriously, you think a player of Ret's caliber doesn't know whether he needs move or not?
FnaticPink
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark324 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-01 13:49:33
October 01 2013 13:48 GMT
#5759
On October 01 2013 19:02 kirika80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 17:59 FnaticPink wrote:
that sounds insanely stupid, a guy can just split up Rets entire army with 1 unit baiting half of it since ret can only move with attack-move.


No, *that* sounds insanely stupid. Just because he doesn't have a keybind for Move doesn't magically remove the mouse's right-click. Personally, I can't remember actually using the 'move' key.
Seriously, you think a player of Ret's caliber doesn't know whether he needs move or not?


lol nice tone, and yes i was assuming a player of his caliber would, which is why i was surprised. I also thought that the mouse button would be considered a "key".
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
October 01 2013 15:21 GMT
#5760
All the mouse buttons are considered keys. However, with a keyboard layout we only deal with key bindings. So, when I say he doesn't have patrol, stop, or move, I meant that he has nothing bound to those commands. Moving with the mouse is under global keys>unit management>smart commands. Technically we could rebind this, but we've never found a reason to that would create enough benefits to justify it.

Ret has not changed the binding for smart commands.
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