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Slashiepie
107 Posts
On August 04 2013 20:41 MoonFan wrote: @Slash: you mean this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtFSjIb2ibJTdDJUT19PTmR1TVhhTklQWm5aVFl3YUE#gid=37 ? I honestly do not have the slightest idea what that rapidfire spreadsheet is explaining.  | ||
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MoonFan
Vietnam55 Posts
-The top row is the key (JaK is left-handed, so he uses R Z F H A 5 V T C B as hotkeys for skills). -Base on his sheet: I think he uses F (K key for right-handed) as "Chose Ability or A.I Target"-key -And abilities in Organge color (Snipe,Zealot,Creep,Feedback,IT,...) all use F ( K ) as hotkey, so holding K will trigger rapidfire (fast casting) Just my wild guess though, seeing Zealot buying hotkey is not F (K) I think it's his note for that feature, not really finished yet: Z cannot use spells in conjunction with Shift <<<< his thumb used to press Z, so cant press shift while pressing Z A can only be used by units given a middle finger control group <<<< same, index finger cant be recalling unitgroup and holding A at same time | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
EDIT: Here's the list of hotkey commands remaining. We need to figure out what each of these is in the default layout before we can release 0.8 (which is mostly done). EDIT: updated list. Found a bunch of defaults. Apparently some of these are in the Starcraft: Subjection Arcade Game. + Show Spoiler + Line 269: EvolveOrganicCarapace/RoachWarren=O| Line 374: IncineratorNozzles/DevilDog=P| Line 375: IncineratorNozzles/Firebat=P| Line 385: JackhammerConcussionGrenade/Marauder=P| Line 415: MengskUnits/Barracks=SemiColon| Line 534: RapidIncubation/SwarmHost=P| Line 554: ReaperSpeed/MercCompound=P| Line 584: ResearchHighTemplarEnergyUpgrade/TemplarArchive=O| Line 585: ResearchIncineratorNozzles/BarracksTechLab=T| Line 594: ResearchMultiLockTargetingSystem/FactoryTechLab=V|V|V|F| Line 612: ResearchShieldWall/BarracksTechLab=G| Line 624: ResearchVoidRaySpeedUpgrade/FleetBeacon=O| Line 655: ShapedBlast/SiegeBreakerSieged=P| Line 656: ShapedBlast/SiegeTankSieged=P| Line 798: TorrasqueChrysalis/HotSTorrasque=P| Line 825: VoidSiphon/Oracle=I| Line 840: WidowMineAttack/WidowMine=C|C|C|V| EDIT 2: these last are difficult as hell. I emailed Sixtus, hopefully he can crack em  | ||
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kingneckbeard
United States24 Posts
EDIT: updated list. Found a bunch of defaults. Apparently some of these are in the Starcraft: Subjection Arcade Game. + Show Spoiler + Line 269: EvolveOrganicCarapace/RoachWarren=O| Line 374: IncineratorNozzles/DevilDog=P| Line 375: IncineratorNozzles/Firebat=P| Line 385: JackhammerConcussionGrenade/Marauder=P| Line 415: MengskUnits/Barracks=SemiColon| Line 534: RapidIncubation/SwarmHost=P| Line 554: ReaperSpeed/MercCompound=P| Line 584: ResearchHighTemplarEnergyUpgrade/TemplarArchive=O| Line 585: ResearchIncineratorNozzles/BarracksTechLab=T| Line 594: ResearchMultiLockTargetingSystem/FactoryTechLab=V|V|V|F| Line 612: ResearchShieldWall/BarracksTechLab=G| Line 624: ResearchVoidRaySpeedUpgrade/FleetBeacon=O| Line 655: ShapedBlast/SiegeBreakerSieged=P| Line 656: ShapedBlast/SiegeTankSieged=P| Line 798: TorrasqueChrysalis/HotSTorrasque=P| Line 825: VoidSiphon/Oracle=I| Line 840: WidowMineAttack/WidowMine=C|C|C|V| EDIT 2: these last are difficult as hell. I emailed Sixtus, hopefully he can crack em A few of these are just from WOL. May be others, but I know that ResearchVoidRaySpeedUpgrade/FleetBeacon=O|F ResearchHighTemplarEnergyUpgrade/TemplarArchive=O|K I'm afraid that you may have to load up a specific part of the campaign for many of the other ones and choose the right evolution strain / buy the right upgrade in the Hyperion armory (wol campaign). Read the description for the required mission and what you need to evolve/buy. I haven't done the campaigns so I cannot help on this very easily. JackhammerConcussionGrenade/Marauder - http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Marauder ShapedBlast/SiegeTankSieged - http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_Breakers RapidIncubation/SwarmHost - http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Swarm_Host_(Heart_of_the_Swarm_Campaign) I think some are even from the Beta EvolveOrganicCarapace - http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Roach/Development | ||
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JDub
United States976 Posts
On August 05 2013 23:01 kingneckbeard wrote: A few of these are just from WOL. May be others, but I know that ResearchVoidRaySpeedUpgrade/FleetBeacon=O|F ResearchHighTemplarEnergyUpgrade/TemplarArchive=O|K I'm afraid that you may have to load up a specific part of the campaign for many of the other ones and choose the right evolution strain / buy the right upgrade in the Hyperion armory (wol campaign). Read the description for the required mission and what you need to evolve/buy. I haven't done the campaigns so I cannot help on this very easily. JackhammerConcussionGrenade/Marauder - http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Marauder ShapedBlast/SiegeTankSieged - http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_Breakers RapidIncubation/SwarmHost - http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Swarm_Host_(Heart_of_the_Swarm_Campaign) I think some are even from the Beta EvolveOrganicCarapace - http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Roach/Development Jak -- I wouldn't let these really obscure ones slow down development. Worst case scenario is they get messed up in TheCore hotkey files, but given that they are either WoL-only or from obscure custom game types, I don't think it's a big deal. | ||
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kingneckbeard
United States24 Posts
On August 06 2013 03:53 JDub wrote: Jak -- I wouldn't let these really obscure ones slow down development. Worst case scenario is they get messed up in TheCore hotkey files, but given that they are either WoL-only or from obscure custom game types, I don't think it's a big deal. I think there's several (like those middle three) that are a part of the normal campaigns. It may just be that they don't show up in the hotkey list until you get to that mission (as the wiki pages for the middle three indicate). That said, as long as it's in beta, it might be alright to just wait for any error reports to come in. Not exactly sure how the script works though, so that may not be plausible. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On August 06 2013 03:53 JDub wrote: Jak -- I wouldn't let these really obscure ones slow down development. Worst case scenario is they get messed up in TheCore hotkey files, but given that they are either WoL-only or from obscure custom game types, I don't think it's a big deal. It won't let me run the program to map directly from the files without having all the defaults  | ||
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JDub
United States976 Posts
On August 06 2013 04:50 kingneckbeard wrote: I think there's several (like those middle three) that are a part of the normal campaigns. It may just be that they don't show up in the hotkey list until you get to that mission (as the wiki pages for the middle three indicate). That said, as long as it's in beta, it might be alright to just wait for any error reports to come in. Not exactly sure how the script works though, so that may not be plausible. Basically the way the script works for importing changes that have been made through the in-game UI, is that it looks at the modified file, and treats any missing line as an indication that the hotkey should take its default standard layout key for that race. If the default key isn't available in TheCoreSeed.ini, then it just leaves that hotkey as it is. Essentially, there's a small probability that those keys might get messed up if some conflicts arise with new changes, but even then, it's not a big deal imo. Also, @everyone: Jak and I figured out what was going wrong with the script. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
Will have written patch notes, video explaination, changelog and files up ASAP. probably today/tomorrow. | ||
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MoonFan
Vietnam55 Posts
On August 06 2013 06:17 JaKaTaK wrote: Woooo!!! TheCore 0.8 incoming :D Will have written patch notes, video explaination, changelog and files up ASAP. probably today/tomorrow. Woooooooooooooooooooo!!! :D Looking forward to it nice timing to do a race change for me hehe | ||
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Vernay
United Kingdom76 Posts
On August 06 2013 06:17 JaKaTaK wrote: Woooo!!! TheCore 0.8 incoming :D Will have written patch notes, video explaination, changelog and files up ASAP. probably today/tomorrow. Hey Jak, i contributed some play testing back in 2012, considering getting back into SC, very glad to see TheCore still running. gratz on your good work! | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
The Core 0.8 would be a great time to get back into SC EDIT: I made a small discovery for suggested CGs for terran. We have a separate CG for stutter step micro that contains only marines and marauders. This is so that the medivacs can heal the MM during the stutter step process. This gives us reliable access to stim. Stim will often be accessed directly before stutter step micro. Because of these things, it is not necessary for MM to be the primary spellcaster for the main army. This allows us to put a spellcaster in the main army. Candidates: Ghost Raven Siege units will not work for this position, as shift microing will be interrupted by movements of the main army. Other units are harass and won't work well in the main army. The question becomes: Does the Raven or the Ghost work better as a part of the main army? Whichever we choose will lose independent movement via CGs. Does the Raven or the Ghost work better with movement via CG? Which one works better with movement via manual control? Okay Terran players, have at it :D | ||
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sil0r
Germany43 Posts
In TvZ it is nice to have your marines on a separate hotkey. E.g.: The Z engages with his banelings and you want your Marauders to tank as many banelinghits as possible, so you just stim your marines and pull back and split. If you play with Raven you want to protect your main army with it with detection and PDD in some cases. I think the Raven, when it is used, could go with the army. | ||
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Slashiepie
107 Posts
Ghosts! Ghosts! Ghosts! They are super important in TvP, a quick reaction usually wins or loses you the game right there.. The Raven is usually a Mech/Skyterran caster and the pace of those games is way slower, which allows you to be more relaxed on what you cast and how fast it has to be. Also a smart way to manage your ravens is to make them follow a high hp unit to not lose them on the front, i usually find myself manuall selecting my ravens and casting pretty ok .[i][b]So I say Ghosts should get their o So I say Ghosts should get their own CG! | ||
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MoonFan
Vietnam55 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Borskey
160 Posts
I think ravens and ghosts are units that probably both deserve to have separate movement from the main army. Your ravens will just run in and suicide if you attack move your whole army behind the enemy- as ravens' don't have an attack, so they never stop moving forward. It's like with overlords/overseers. Ghosts you want to be able to maneuver separately in order to get EMPs off. If you HAVE to put one with the main army- I'd say put Ravens with the army in TvP (as that's probably the matchup where you most want to have separate control over ghosts), and put ghosts with the army in TvT and TvZ. | ||
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Slashiepie
107 Posts
On August 07 2013 23:33 JaKaTaK wrote: I think Raven too. I see ghosts out in front sniping HTs quite a bit. I think it would be good to have them on their own CG for those types of things. Yeah! Ghosts are the core of TvP! When are you releasing it? I'm so eager to test it out | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Beedebdoo
130 Posts
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