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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
Videos w/ text in spoiler Visualizer Visual Aides Auto-Updating Spreadsheet I'm down to go to 1.0 without a visual aide update, but it would be nice. Let me know how you like the new OP, everything is always subject to change with the addition of new ideas  Patch note video incoming | ||
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turboPasqual
Germany21 Posts
I personally like drag scroll on ctrl+back mouse button. I implement the scrolling in my spread creep cycle. With this you don't have to move your mouse to the side of the screen and come back in order to move your screen/camera to the new position. And you are holding ctrl already anyway. Additionally I started using quick ping on shift + back mouse button. It helps a lot in team games to have your ping reachable. | ||
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teuthida
United States104 Posts
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eneyeseekay
239 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:44 teuthida wrote: Good points with the mod+mouse ideas. I use MM button to drag scroll now, but I will have to play with some modifiers for that and the side buttons. I like the idea of quick ping on one of them as I play 2s a lot. Yeah, I use Ctrl+Alt+Left Click for Quick Ping but that's it. It's harmless, and like you said it's helpful for teammates. I normally have no reason to be pressing Ctrl+Alt for anything anyway, so it's the only binding that fit for either Left or right Click in combination with the modifiers. | ||
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SpoogeCoffer
New Zealand51 Posts
Edit: I now see people talking about quick ping on a modifier + thumb button and this is a change that I can agree with as pinging is not an essential mechanic and it seems useful. However I would suggest putting it, or at least an alternate for it on mod + middle mouse if you decide to do this so that we don't have to go back to having mouse / no mouse versions and cut down on your overhead. Took me like ten minutes to type this as I'm finally learning dvorak. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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Thunderflesh
United States382 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
any suggestions for improvements? | ||
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Czarnodziej
Poland624 Posts
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SixtusTheFifth
New Zealand170 Posts
On July 09 2013 03:08 JaKaTaK wrote: Okay, so running into a bit of an annoyance. If anyone can figure this out it would be of tremendous help: WTF do these hotkeys do?: BattleRage/Khraxus Charge/Khraxus They are campaign keys from Subjection. I should put them in a spreadsheet somewhere shouldn't I. Any other funny ones are probably from Subjection. I can't put in MP arcade games since they get updated too often so I've focused on final version single player games. | ||
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
On July 09 2013 07:34 JaKaTaK wrote: I really like the idea for ping in team games. Also, I don't think the middle mouse button is very efficient, but I'm open about the idea if a convincing argument comes forward. This depends a lot on the mouse and how friendly the wheel is for clicks. At best, I think it could be useful for infrequent things with no repetition. I've never seen a wheel that clicks as well as mouse buttons. In my experience, clicks with the wheel range from barely acceptable to painful. I used it for drag scroll with my Logitech G500 and started developing pain in my hand. I switched drag scroll to a thumb button on the mouse and the pain went away. I currently avoid using the mouse wheel for clicks. To be fair, the G500's wheel is one of the worst I've seen for clicking. | ||
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Bulgogi
United States60 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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astazha
United States29 Posts
On July 10 2013 03:00 Bulgogi wrote: One thing I changed in my core that other people might like is that I sacrificed control group 8 in ZRM in favor of a closer cancel button. I don't use more than 3 control groups for units at any given time, so it doesn't bother me to have one less control group. Even though it might make the core look less clean, it was a welcome change for me. ZRM has "." available, which is what I'm using for cancel. No way I'm giving up a control group (I actually wish we had more than 10 now that I can reach them), but I'm not wild about "]" for cancel either. Another possibility is spacebar? That would be easy enough to pinky-slap. You could also use a mouse side button - it's unnecessary to have both tab forward and back IMO. Or a Ctrl-key that isn't a control group, base cam, or free camera, like Ctrl-U perhaps. [EDIT: not Ctrl-U, that would mess up standard creep spread. Maybe Ctrl-M?] Or a right-click modifier. Or the middle mouse button if you aren't using drag scroll. There are many possibilities that don't sacrifice a control group. ............................................................................................................................................ I'm slowly working though the units with my I=rapidfire and creep spread arrangement. Conveniently "I" is also Infested Terran, which is good for spamming them. I'm debating switching Hatchery and Spine Crawler basic morphs so that a group of drones can spam spines more easily. O, O, [Shift+I] spam seems to fill up the queue quickly if the mouse isn't moved fast enough. I think abduct will need to be moved to "/" to prevent undesired rapid-fire. Had a game where I accidentally started Pneumatic Carapace (on J) a couple of times, but noticed and cancelled right away. Didn't leave me feeling like there was anything wrong with the key setup, just that I need to pay more attention to larva before trying to morph. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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ArakisX
2 Posts
i'm voting for a better changelog and version number on skydrive - For each version, a short text, what was changed (it must not be very detailed). For example, what was changed on 8th june? On Skydrive, there's no version number anymore. A version number in the name would be very helpfull. So, in the moment, every time i need to check this thread, and need it to rename manually, for better switching in the starcraft app. Greetings, Sebastian | ||
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Beedebdoo
130 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:32 JaKaTaK wrote: I played some zerg today and also upgraded overlord speed on accident and canceled it right away a couple of times. Not really a big deal IMO, I don't play too much zerg, so It may take a bit to get used to. Hey JaK, I made a post a while back on why I think "I" specifically might cause some problems on the Hatchery. On June 29 2013 16:18 Beedebdoo wrote: In short, I think that being able to go P-O-I by muscle memory will, when looking at a whole game, be faster than having an upgrade you'll reseach once on a better key. I did the excact same thing back when I played Zerg, though I never did it for any combat units, like P-O-J for Zerglings. I'd reckon I had spent Larvae pretty fast if I did those combos for every unit. But I didn't which I guess is because Overlords and Drones don't need to be egg-hotkeyed, and that would take time, which is precious in a micro battle. Also, Overlords (and Drones, when you're just replacing losses from morphing buildings) are the only unit(s) you ideally want to start one or two of simultaneously, while the Zergling might be more like P-O-J-J-J-J.. What are your thoughts on this? We generally want to create some overlords, in addition to other units, lest we supply block ourselves. To be able to egg-hotkey, we'll have to reselect our larva multiple times. We can't just go P-O-I-J-J-J-J-J.. We need to go P-O-I-P-O-J-J-J (or the other way around), if not, we get overlords and whatnot in our zergling control group, so it's good to be able to press P-O-I without needing to check for larvae. P-O-I is done a lot during a match (we need Overlords, right?), thus I think it's important that we're able to do it by muscle memory. On July 09 2013 00:55 JaKaTaK wrote: Concerning #3 The order in game is based on the suggested CGs, the order in the doc is based on keyscore I forgot to ask, what do you mean by this? The way I understand it, you're saying that Widow Mines comes before Army. The only way that would make sense, would be if -(2), in addition to Widow Mines, is used for worker scouts early game, but I might still get a harass cg before I get stuff like tanks. Could the elaborate? | ||
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astazha
United States29 Posts
If you do want to go for speed and drops it's plenty fast to hit P-J-K, though I tend to actually use a camera to select hatcheries for upgrades so I can control where they're building and not accidentally block my lair from upgrading to hive or something. ............ Trying to use "I" for spine crawlers to spam them doesn't work, because the sequence would need to be O-I-I over and over, not just repeating I. No big, shift-spamming them works well enough. I briefly considered swapping O & I for basic & advanced, but I don't think it's worth messing with for a small improvement in spine crawler spam. | ||
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Beedebdoo
130 Posts
Rebind Evolve Pneumatized Glands from I to K. or Rebind Evolve Pneumatized Glands from I to 8 or M. The top one would make sense because the cheaper and faster upgrade gets the better key. The bottom one is pretty cool too, because roaches can be build pre-Lair, but Ventral Sacs can't, which minimizes the window where possible mispresses can happen. For consistency's sake, I'd pick the top one. | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
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