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On June 02 2013 04:29 Borskey wrote:
Holding ctrl down the entire time seems much smoother imo.

On June 02 2013 05:22 Antylamon wrote:

That's why I'm going to switch to Ctrl+Shift.

On June 02 2013 05:47 Borskey wrote:
Wait, I may have misunderstood:
are you going to change the binds so ctrl+shift adds to control group?
Or are you leaving your binds as they currently are (shift adds to control group) and ctrl+shift clicking the marauders? (this is what I thought you were talking about)

On June 02 2013 05:54 Antylamon wrote:
I was talking about using Create CG with Ctrl+Shift, not switching to Add to CG.

Ctrl+Shift+Click Rines
Ctrl+Shift+Click Rauders
Ctrl+Shift+0
Ctrl+Click Vikings
Ctrl+Shift+=

On June 02 2013 06:03 Borskey wrote:


But this would overwrite whatever you had previously in 0, and it would overwrite whatever you had on = before..

On June 02 2013 05:22 Antylamon wrote:

That's why I'm going to switch to Ctrl+Shift.

Also, it complements Innovation-style anti-deathball play VERY well. You don't even need to remember to take units out of the army CGs for drops; that happens anyways when recreating CGs for rallied units.

EDIT: Dammit, I meant to edit this into my previous post.

On May 31 2013 12:49 teuthida wrote:


Yeah, I really need to start getting away from the select all army and just get into a routine cycle of going to my rally camera to pick up units.

I have been trying to put my vikings separate so I don't run into conflicts with tanks so much, would be a nice case for if would could change unit selection priority though.

It is definitely not ideal to have medivacs in with infantry on 9 but I was just trying to build muscle memory for those top hotkeys. I think I will start really going for ; all army and 9, 0, - for my other units as needed. I personally find L somewhat uncomfortable to hit, I think that is just due to my own hand shape \ physiology though, so that's why I like the top hotkeys and [. Maybe it just takes more practice using that hotkey (I finally got used to using , for lift and sensor towers now and that feels natural to me).

I'm mostly ignoring the suggested keys for now and trying to have a set of keys close together so I can find them without looking. I just made diamond league and so only feel as if I can use 3 or 4 army hotkeys effectively, more and it is a bit overwhelming at my ability level. I do use P and O as suggested though.

On June 02 2013 05:22 Antylamon wrote:

That's why I'm going to switch to Ctrl+Shift.

Also, it complements Innovation-style anti-deathball play VERY well. You don't even need to remember to take units out of the army CGs for drops; that happens anyways when recreating CGs for rallied units.

EDIT: Dammit, I meant to edit this into my previous post.

On June 02 2013 08:14 Slashiepie wrote:


It's hard for me to put it in rational words, but i also FEEL that the cgs are suboptimal for Terran, i can't explain exactly why, but i also have to admit that i've been too lazy to work on them.

As of today I've barely used control groups except for drops/scout/harass and of course production.. Curios thing is i'm probably gonna get out of diamond and into masters like that. L and : are just the ones i hate the most.

It infuriates me that there has to be a single game where i actually use the CGS as they're supposed to work against the Toss Deathball, if anyone is willing to practice engagements and CGS hit me up, its about time..

On June 02 2013 10:30 Smackzilla wrote:


Sorry if I'm missing the point, but it seems to me that the best way to hotkey multi-prong drops is simply:

1) Jump to rally cam
2) Box a chunk of MMM (and perhaps hellbats)
3) shift-click medivacs
4) For each drop, click the medivac then ctrl-shift and hit the CG key

Those drops aren't in the army CG or any unit specific CG, but only in the harass CGs (a good thing). The harass CGs only have a medivac in them rather than the marine and marauders. This means you can double tap the CG to get to the action and then box the units to micro. You could hit ctrl+CG key to add them then, after they've been unloaded if you plan on coming back to the alot.

Do you suspect that Innovation is doing something better than that?

On June 02 2013 08:14 Slashiepie wrote:
It infuriates me that there has to be a single game where i actually use the CGS as they're supposed to work against the Toss Deathball, if anyone is willing to practice engagements and CGS hit me up, its about time..

On June 02 2013 08:09 Borskey wrote:
If you use ctrl+shift to add to cg, you still end up having to toggle your thumb between shift/ctrl+shift/ctrl a lot. I think leaving add to cg on shift and using doubleclicks is better, because you only have to toggle the shift key by itself, which is much less awkward.

If you actually do want to play that style of contantly over-writing your control groups I would suggest that you consider making "create control group" be on shift.

On June 02 2013 10:35 Antylamon wrote:

Nooo, as in making sure when the MM CG is used your dropped units don't go running back to the main army. Nothing to do with the Medivacs. I'm not saying Innovation does this at all; I'm just theorycrafting advantages to using Ctrl+Shift for setting army units to CGs.

On June 02 2013 08:23 Borskey wrote:
Slashie, are you just boxing your army every time?

On June 02 2013 10:32 Smackzilla wrote:


Is your problem with the keys or the suggested assignments of the keys?

On June 02 2013 22:09 Slashiepie wrote:


I am XD, and then i do all the micro left with the mouse.



Assignment, plus unreachability/clumpedness... messing up a CG with buildings or units that don't belong there is a pain.. however i'm sure it boils down to hard wiring it into ones brain.
I however would love to have shift as an append button, but then what do we do with the cameras ?

On June 02 2013 22:09 Slashiepie wrote:
I however would love to have shift as an append button, but then what do we do with the cameras ?

On June 02 2013 22:57 Smackzilla wrote:


Agreed on the assignments. On positioning, though, I think they work, at least after practice and proper tilt of the keyboard. For TRM QWERTY, I feel 9, L, and ; really are the best if you give them a chance, followed by 0, -, and [. That's 6 unit CGs in easy reach, which is pretty good.

Just curious, but how do you fight TvP? Are you still boxing everything? Personally, I feel like I must have vikings, ghosts, and MM on separate CGs if I'm going to have a chance of winning the big engagements.

On June 02 2013 23:19 Antylamon wrote:
Shift only imo is the second hardest modifier to use and Ctrl+Shift is the easiest, so it fits pretty well anyways.