I think the wording is something like "you cannot use third-party programs to change hotkeys". Mouse drivers are dubious though. Generally, if you cannot do it with the in-game UI it's probably illegal.

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

February 21 2013 20:49 GMT

#2543

@granite
I think the issue is that right now, attack move requires 2 button presses, so if you made attack move into 1 button press it could be considered a "macro" and illegal. Also, I think Dragnmn is right about non-game-UI = illegal.

Jagriff

United States23 Posts

February 21 2013 20:52 GMT

#2544

I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but are there any plans to release a US_Colemak version of theCore?

JDub

United States976 Posts

February 21 2013 22:20 GMT

#2545

On February 22 2013 05:52 Jagriff wrote:
I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but are there any plans to release a US_Colemak version of theCore?

Currently, no. However!! For anyone with a different keyboard layout who would like to use TheCore, you can help us make it happen.

To support a keyboard layout, we essentially need a key mapping from US Qwerty to that layout. See this file here on the GitHub for what such a mapping looks like: KeyboardLayouts.ini

One example (for the German conversion):

[German]
AltGr=1
Minus=BracketOpen
Equals=BracketClose
BracketOpen=SemiColon
BracketClose=Equals
SemiColon=Grave
Slash=Minus
BackSlash=Slash
Grave=BackSlash
Y=Z
Z=Y

The formatting is simple. Each line is a mapping from one US Qwerty key (on the left) to the other layout's key. So on a German keyboard, for instance, the Minus key is where the US Qwerty Slash key is, so we have Slash=Minus (anything bound to Slash for TheCore in US Qwerty will then get changed to Minus in German, and the SC2 Ability will be in the same spot on both keyboards).

The AltGr=1 or AltGr=0 in the first line just determines whether or not the alt on the right side of the keyboard is actually an AltGr key, which functions like Control+Alt (right-handed layouts will have all Alt's changed to Control+Alt's).

So essentially, if you want a new keyboard layout supported, you can:
1) Take it all on yourself, fork a copy of the GitHub repository and then send us a pull request for your changes to KeyboardLayouts.ini
2) Do 1) except communicate me and I'll help you get it working properly if you run into any issues.
3) Send me a picture of what your keyboard looks like, and I'll get to it eventually.

Snoodles

401 Posts

February 22 2013 02:27 GMT

#2546

I appreciate that you guys took the time to make this dvorak friendly. Some thoughts:

I use TRMM, primarily play terran but random a lot. I use mouse button 4 for all my military production buildings, and mouse button 5 for all town centers and tech buildings. Then I use the dvorak equivalent to [;],[o],[p] for my army. If I'm terran, I use [L] to have a constant supply depot builder, or if I'm protoss as a dedicated builder.
For camera, [I] use [P]for main, [O] for expa, ; for main wall-off, and J/I for subsequent expansions.

I used to think you had to be a master player to overview your stuff so efficiently. I'm by no means good, but it all FEELS so smooth. Before the core I only had enough hand coordination to use 3 control groups. Reaching for any more completely confused my hand when returning to home position. Camera hotkeys were damn near never used. I would recommend this to anyone simply because even if you suck you'll feel like a pro.

Jagriff

United States23 Posts

February 22 2013 04:25 GMT

#2547

Thank you very much!

Pull request sent.

JDub

United States976 Posts

February 22 2013 04:39 GMT

#2548

On February 22 2013 13:25 Jagriff wrote:
Thank you very much!

Pull request sent.

Awesome! I merged it and generated the layout files for USColemak, they are in the USColemak folder on the GitHub now.

Jagriff

United States23 Posts

February 22 2013 04:41 GMT

#2549

On February 22 2013 13:39 JDub wrote:
Awesome! I merged it and generated the layout files for USColemak, they are in the USColemak folder on the GitHub now.

Yes, I see. That was very quick - thanks again.

Now onto testing...

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

February 22 2013 06:04 GMT

#2550

Also uploaded onto the skydrive

Starney Binson

Afghanistan2 Posts

February 22 2013 20:47 GMT

#2551

Hi, thanks for sharing this new keyboard setup.

I got some questions as I did not understand everything.

1- Must you remove some keys from your keyboard ?? What if you play from a notebook ?
2- How do you choose exactly your best setup ?
3- Does The Core support foreign keyboards ? (like european ones, the french one etc).

Thank you.

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

February 22 2013 21:12 GMT

#2552

1 - Watch the 2nd video in the OP (Download and Positioning)

2 - Watch the 2nd video in the OP (Download and Positioning)

3 - Watch the 2nd video in the OP (Download and Positioning)

You may or may not want to look at the other videos while you're at it. They answer pretty much all questions.

SultanVinegar

United States372 Posts

February 22 2013 21:16 GMT

#2553

Just wanted to thank you for this setup.

I'm coming back from a long break of playing, I was a diamond player in 2012 seasons 1-3. Obviously my mechanics after coming back from a half-year break were not great, and I saw a mention of TheCore on the reviews of some hotkey trainer map. I decided to switch and it was absolutely brutal at first, I thought I wouldn't stick with it. But after a few hours of training on the hotkeys and about 10 games, I feel like my mechanics are up to what they used to be PLUS I can now use the camera hotkeys, which I never used to do. I feel like switching would be a tremendous help to anyone lower than a masters player.

Great job on the hotkey setup. Keep up the good work!

Thanks

TheAngryZergling

United States387 Posts

February 23 2013 13:07 GMT

#2554

Why are the replay watching hotkeys changed as well? Is that a necessary evil of changing the in game keys? If not why bother doing it? The only possible market it could cater to is high end observers/casters. That isn't the group you sold the idea of the core to. It is very frustrating to not be able to do something as simple as speeding up the replay using the core right now (yes I know you can click). Could you please revert replay hotkeys in the core 1.0?

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

February 23 2013 16:27 GMT

#2555

@TheAngryZergling

We're not selling TheCore, we don't have a target audience, we don't have an angle.

We are making the most efficient hotkey setup we possibly can. The people who like it, use it. That is all.

You are more than welcome to revert the keys to default if you want to. It wouldn't take very much time, (there is a restore default button).

That being said, we are having some conflicts with the observer functions, so they will be changed for TheCore 1.0

TheAngryZergling

United States387 Posts

February 23 2013 17:26 GMT

#2556

I know you aren't trying to sell anything and just trying to be an honest to goodness helpful community member. You are providing a product (even pro bono) and all products worth creating (like yours is) have a target audience. As far as I can tell your target market is the starcraft 2 player willing to invest the time to get the most efficient hotkey setup. I bought into that. I still enjoy using the core and have no complaints about it in game. I am only questioning why the keys in replay mode are drastically changed as well. If you are saying it is easy to revert only the replay hotkey changes that is fine; I would like to do that. I didn't want to try and make any changes in case there was a link between in game changes and replay changes as asked in my previous post. If you could please address the following, my curiosity will be sated:

Why are the replay watching hotkeys changed as well?
Is that a necessary evil of changing the in game keys?
If not why bother doing it?
Could you please revert replay hotkeys in the core 1.0?

Morsk

United States16 Posts

February 23 2013 19:16 GMT

#2557

I like TheCore's replay keys the way they are. It lets you watch a replay after each game, without having to move the keyboard back and forth each time. Also it's not as if the default replay/observer keys are any good. They're all over the board, and not reachable by one hand.

Anziel

Canada4 Posts

February 23 2013 19:33 GMT

#2558

I'm gonna start using *TheCore* as from now on. The layout looks very good. I Used to be Top platinum/ Low diamond

Currently having a bit of a trouble getting started with it. Gotta find a way to get better with it

JaKaTaKSc2

United States2787 Posts

February 23 2013 20:12 GMT

#2559

@TheAngryZergling

I agree to disagree about making decisions based on a target audience.

The reasons why the observing keys are optimized are the same reasons why the in-game functions are optimized. To make actions faster and more efficient. That being said, there is an issue with overlapping the play commands with the replay commands and I will be moving them to the opposite side of the keyboard as the play commands. I will not be reverting them to the standard observing shortcuts because that would be less efficient.

@Anziel
I would strongly suggest using TheStaircase as a way of learning TheCore.

Photon99

7 Posts

February 23 2013 22:54 GMT

#2560

Quick question:
It seems like Shift+CG does not have a function, while create control group is Ctl+shift+CG (and is harder to press). Why is that? I understand for the ones that have a camera also associated with it since it recalls the camera (this is true for say P and O) but why not have create CG semicolon be shift-semicolon rather than ctl+shift+semicolon?

A related question, is why is add to control group CTL rather than shift? It seems like I add the most often, and shift is right under my thumb.

I hope my question(s) are clear.

Thanks!

[PRM]