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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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Fogetaboudit
United States232 Posts
On May 28 2012 04:31 Welmu wrote: Defending when zerg was on three bases around 14 minutes mark, I had a lot of cannons + few carriers + a lot void rays and both time Zergs have like ~13 Infestors and of course there were other units like roach/hydra/ling in combination Where was your mothership? It sound's like your micro was definitely terrible, tough to say for sure without seeing a replay. When I lose to early timings its always been hold able with better execution. | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
On May 28 2012 05:25 Fogetaboudit wrote: Where was your mothership? It sound's like your micro was definitely terrible, tough to say for sure without seeing a replay. When I lose to early timings its always been hold able with better execution. Er you know who Welmu is right? Also, i wouldn't say 14 minutes with 13 infestors counts for an early timing. | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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Fogetaboudit
United States232 Posts
no, "sorry" On May 28 2012 05:38 NrGmonk wrote: Also, i wouldn't say 14 minutes with 13 infestors counts for an early timing. I would. Semantics. | ||
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Fogetaboudit
United States232 Posts
On May 28 2012 05:47 Welmu wrote: Im not really sure about timings, but to say once more zergs attacked on 3-4 bases with big infestor count and I had mostly void rays/some carriers/mothership done in one game and not done in one and I used void rays to pick off drones and harass a lot while building up big air army in behind and getting a lot of cannons, but both times I just got crushed by big Zerg army and mostly due big infestor counts pretty early in game. I can try searching for a replay tomorrow ^^  sorry to hear.You should never be in a position to lose your army, it's like a mech army, super expensive, strong in numbers. If he took the fight to your side of the map, with only infestors, and he beat Stargate units/ mothership support/ many cannons, with defensive positioning, and beat it with just infestors I would really like to see how the battle turned looked so I could study the game. Of course you will lose your army if your poking around the middle of the map versus mass fungal and no recall, I hope thats not what you are referring to. | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On May 28 2012 06:03 Fogetaboudit wrote: no, "sorry" I would. Semantics. Don't be snide. Welmu is a well known pro player. Calling his micro "definitely terrible" is not appropriate. | ||
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Fogetaboudit
United States232 Posts
On May 28 2012 07:06 NrGmonk wrote: Don't be snide. Welmu is a well known pro player. Calling his micro "definitely terrible" is not appropriate. I said that what it "sounds like" based on his own paragraph. There is nothing else to go on at this point. My language was probably too harsh but taking it out of context is pretty stupid and adds nothing. Go away User was warned for this and previous posts | ||
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Nifiel
Sweden54 Posts
On May 28 2012 07:06 NrGmonk wrote: Don't be snide. Welmu is a well known pro player. Calling his micro "definitely terrible" is not appropriate. Not everybody is following the scene very closely. Welmu might be known, but he's not a superstar that "everybody" knows. | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
On May 28 2012 07:06 NrGmonk wrote: Don't be snide. Welmu is a well known pro player. Calling his micro "definitely terrible" is not appropriate. That is a bit of an exaggeration, and a pro player should know to link us to a replay so we can better know what he is talking about. | ||
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birdseed
19 Posts
On May 28 2012 08:55 Amlitzer wrote: That is a bit of an exaggeration, and a pro player should know to link us to a replay so we can better know what he is talking about. He also is one of the few pros who frequently posts on tl. Anyways, I would still like to see the replay if he has it. Welmu did say "defending" in his post, and this is just me guessing, but with enough infestors and units you might be able to tank the cannon fire and just fungal to death the air fleet (with 14 infestors + other units this seems reasonable) even if the mother ship was there. I am not certain about this but if a zerg was smart enough it seems like he could kill your air army by just bringing the fight to you (so the recalling out of fungal does not work), after the air units are dead the zerg can just pull back his infestors. Again i am not sure if this is what Welmu is talking about but it seems like something that at least needs to be considered. | ||
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Venomsflame
United States613 Posts
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Fogetaboudit
United States232 Posts
On May 28 2012 12:16 Venomsflame wrote: What is the exaggeration... Welmu is a professional player. If you have a 19 page thread on TL about a strategy you are supporting you should probably know about an extremely talented protoss player and not assume he has terrible micro when trying your strategy. The exaggeration is that he is well known, I thought that was fairly obvious. I don't know most people in this community, so I treat most of them equally. I also shared a strategy that I have been having an absurd amount of success with. I don't see the problem here. I already said my language was probably too harsh (we still don't know) but you guys need to calm down a little bit. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
On May 28 2012 12:54 Fogetaboudit wrote: The exaggeration is that he is well known, I thought that was fairly obvious. I don't know most people in this community, so I treat most of them equally. I also shared a strategy that I have been having an absurd amount of success with. I don't see the problem here. I already said my language was probably too harsh (we still don't know) but you guys need to calm down a little bit. There are some posts where you sound kinda pedantic (imho). As any comunity anywhere, there are members who have contributed a lot. You say it by yourself, you "don't know most people in the comunity". So if you are new, or dk the active members, then please have respect. "I don't see the problem here". You talked to a well known pro like if he was a scrub, and sent "away" one of the few active protoss quality contributors. Any strat may have high win% at certain level. But to be a really valid strat, there is nothing better to be tested at top skill level, to see if the strat is rightfully good, or if it just depends of the player limitations. So if you care about your strat get into mainstream level, there is nothing better to get a pro testing it, you should be happy. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
On May 28 2012 12:54 Fogetaboudit wrote: The exaggeration is that he is well known, I thought that was fairly obvious. I don't know most people in this community, so I treat most of them equally. I also shared a strategy that I have been having an absurd amount of success with. I don't see the problem here. I already said my language was probably too harsh (we still don't know) but you guys need to calm down a little bit. He is well known. That isn't an exaggeration, he's a pro player signed to a team. Welmu replied and was very polite, so did Monk who was told to 'go away.' Not acceptable, if you want pro players and high level amateurs like Monk to post in these threads show some respect. If you are like me and you get most of your new builds from these forums from people like monk and kcdc then you value high level input. All of your posts in this thread have been sarcastic and condescending and it doesn't sit well with most forum users. Welmu - I think a lot of people here would like to see that replay if you ever find it! Keep fighting. | ||
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Fogetaboudit
United States232 Posts
3 votes for "kind of an exaggeration" how about realizing that this is a relative thing, and doesn't really matter. Again, apologies for the harsh language, it's not my intent to insult someone. (But it's still taken pretty poorly out of context, by Monk) I meant to make an educated guess that the lack of success might be from a poor engagement, but of course we don't know for sure. | ||
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inFeZa
Australia556 Posts
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Fogetaboudit
United States232 Posts
On May 28 2012 14:02 inFeZa wrote: Best thing about this is that i don't have to worry about broodlords :3 <3 | ||
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Rimak
Denmark434 Posts
And Forget, please, I thank you for introducing this nice strategy, but insulting pro players and arguing with Monk is not putting you in a good light. It is obvious, that this build has it's flaws and it can be beatable, but to find out where it fails, should come with analytic approach, to find weak spots. But I'm here for a little update The 5 phoenix harass is extremely good, it disrupts zerg's production cycles by a lot! Earlier I thought, that you should do 2 rounds of attack, first with initial 5 and then when +1 and APC kick in. BUT. As it turned out, you get your +1 already with the first 5 phoenix. So sniping queens is your primary target, killing overlords is also very nice, because all the new larva will be spent on them, and there are NO injects made (if you took out all the queens). Anion Pulse Crystals usually finish when he already laid down spores, and this is the best part, because with new range you usually wave angles of attack not covered by them, the thing you should be careful is not to lose your graviton-beam lifting phoenix, cuz it's usually closest. I'm really thinking of adding 2 more phoenix for the second round of attack. So what happens with the zerg, when you hit (perfect scenario): You kill all his queens and food-block him. New larva goes into overlords. Drones will go into spores. After the queens are live again, you do a second round with APC and do the same thing again. In one game I managed to get 2 rounds of queens, ~10 ovies, and forced 3 spores/hatch. And though he had the infestation pit, he could't get those out quickly, due to food block. Awesome, just awesome. | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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