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Have you tried throwing in some infestors to help deal with hellions? It seems like it would be a hassle to deal with hellion/tank (pretty much have to muta switch) but hellion thor doesn't seem much harder to deal with than it would be with roach/infestor if you sub a good few number of those roaches for hydras instead. Also, because of range, hydras obviously synergize with roaches better than roaches stacking on themselves, as long as you can get fungals to control the hellions sounds good...
also, hydra drops are always great. i personally never took the risk of going hydras JUST to use a handful of them in drops, but if you can integrate hydras into the main comp, this could be strong. As for the gas comment in a post above realize against mech you should be expanding a lot...don't need to saturate like 6 bases but take gas and mine from that on any extra bases and roach/hydra/infestor shouldn't be all too gas-intensive.
Some people actually are so die-hard ling/bling/muta that they use that against mech. Not my cup of tea, but if people actually legitimately make that work, lord knows roach/hydra/infestor could do it.
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I like hydras vs mech/banshee a specially when he has many thors, roach hydra is fun in zvt :D
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Replays please... As a meching T i would love to see this
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Updated with Build order because I <3 you guys.
I did not add any replays because I posted two in part one and I dont change my build order unless I scout a gasless 2 rax or CC first.
Additionally, I was not intending to write a guide. I really wanted to blog my hydra adventures.
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I appreciate the replays in part one, however they were not vs Mech... 
I would like to see vs Mech if you have some?
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In ZvT there is no reason to scout as early as 10. It's a minor part of the build, but there is nothing to see that early
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DontLoseSightOfit: ill dig up a good one for you.
On February 18 2012 11:48 Mr Showtime wrote:
In ZvT there is no reason to scout as early as 10. It's a minor part of the build, but there is nothing to see that early
I disagree -
Lets take a solid terran player like Avilo. At the last DC lan I saw him proxy two rax ----> bunker rush at least 65% of all the games that day. (vs zergs)
An early scout gets there when the rax is halfway done, If one does not see any rax at all, you know its a proxy, and have the option to 14-15pool -- sling expand, OR get half your drones ready to defend a bunker blockoff. and thus not die to uber cheese play
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On February 18 2012 15:02 EndOfLine wrote:DontLoseSightOfit: ill dig up a good one for you. Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 11:48 Mr Showtime wrote:
In ZvT there is no reason to scout as early as 10. It's a minor part of the build, but there is nothing to see that early I disagree - Lets take a solid terran player like Avilo. At the last DC lan I saw him proxy two rax ----> bunker rush at least 65% of all the games that day. (vs zergs) An early scout gets there when the rax is halfway done, If one does not see any rax at all, you know its a proxy, and have the option to 14-15pool -- sling expand, OR get half your drones ready to defend a bunker blockoff. and thus not die to uber cheese play
Thanks :D
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lol jesus christ, you are seriously changing the meta game here.
Love that hydra "run-by" Hidden roaches crouching hydras?
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In the game with the 'hydra runby' on antiga, how did you hold the main push?
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On February 16 2012 13:55 EndOfLine wrote:
Answering your questions about build orders/replays, ect ect
I always use the same build order unless its a 2 rax. My general BO is:
Plain curious.
What do you do if it is 2 rax?
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I love what you do! If some pro started using Hydras ZvT I'd be a happy man :D
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On February 18 2012 23:41 IcemanAsi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 13:55 EndOfLine wrote:
Answering your questions about build orders/replays, ect ect
I always use the same build order unless its a 2 rax. My general BO is:
Plain curious. What do you do if it is 2 rax?
I go 15 hatch 14 pool and pull about 10 drones to my nat.
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On February 18 2012 22:20 ETisME wrote:
lol jesus christ, you are seriously changing the meta game here.
Love that hydra "run-by" Hidden roaches crouching hydras?
Rofl ----> love the kung fu reference!
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On February 18 2012 23:30 yeastiality wrote:
In the game with the 'hydra runby' on antiga, how did you hold the main push?
My main army consisted of lings/Banes Roach/Hydra's - a lot of them. It was a pretty easy attack move because the ninja hydras kept the terran from seiging his tanks.
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On February 18 2012 23:41 IcemanAsi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 13:55 EndOfLine wrote:
Answering your questions about build orders/replays, ect ect
I always use the same build order unless its a 2 rax. My general BO is:
Plain curious. What do you do if it is 2 rax?
My build is not as specific because I only see two rax bunker rushes 10% of the time these days.
16 hatch
17pool
18ol (no gas)
2 queens ( + two more queens when you can afford them) + 2 spines + 6 lings only. (the spines + lings can handle nearly everything, with queens to block for a long time)
once the spines are up, ill actually drone while being attacked by a two rax bunker rush and get silly ahead.
Then ill take two gases at 30-35
and the other two gases in the early 50's
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On February 19 2012 00:10 Leviance wrote:
I love what you do! If some pro started using Hydras ZvT I'd be a happy man :D
My old style in zvt was ling bane ---> infester ultra. Then I saw top pro's like Sen start using it in the blizzcon tournament. So, then I decided to stop using that stye because every zerg will be doing it. ><
Then my style was speed/burrow roaches + speed banes + drops with triple ups.
So now I am trying to get ahead of the meta game again and use hydra's
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Still waiting for decent replay vs mech game to convince me..
The topic is Hydra vs mech. shouldnt be hard to show us a few replays surely :D
What about those games in the screenshots?
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Bring about the replays?
Can you force yourself to use hydra drops against T.
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