How to Mech in TvP [D][G] - Page 25

On March 23 2012 18:08 HeroMystic wrote:
As an enthusiatic Mech player I was and still am really hopeful to work on a Mech build vs P that I could use as my standard ladder build.

Looking at the first batch of replays from Lyyna left me completely unconvinced. The theme of the replays was basically macro into BCs and take a fourth base, then take a nap on your keyboard while the Protoss randomly attacks the (surprisingly) undefeatable deathball, then rinse and repeat for the extension of 30+ minutes. I literally got bored watching those games and had me thinking that if that was the way to play Mech vs P then it isn't worth it at all. Protoss wasn't even doing warp prism drops, harassing with Void Rays, or even doing two-pronged attacks. So it was boring, and skeptical at best.

Then I look at Croc's replay and all I have to say is: Thank you for being realistic about the build. I'm glad you didn't sit on your ass for 30+ minutes when you had perfect opportunities to take out expansions and push forward. This demands the Protoss to react to your army and not allow him to set up harassment drops because without the full supply of his army, he has no chance of winning. You revitalized my desire to go Mech.

I really like the use of Barracks too. I've done that myself in the past, especially in open maps like Tal'darim Altar to lower the effectiveness of being surrounded. Only problem I see with the build is it has yet to be put up against a nimble style like gateway play.

On March 23 2012 18:22 kyllinghest wrote:

Been some time since I last played team games, but in 2v2 mech is in my opinion very good. I Play with two different protosses, so my mech army get loads of protection from their insane deathball, and tanks + colo + storm = win win win.

On March 23 2012 23:19 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
Hey guy ! have you played the new 6m2g map.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321242

Because we have less ressource both player stick for a long time with midgame army. I feel mech is viable in this mood.

And its more hard for the protoss to do 1base allin on us. Also planetary fortress are more strong and its help to terran to mass expand and fix the problem of immobility.

On March 23 2012 18:08 HeroMystic wrote:
As an enthusiatic Mech player I was and still am really hopeful to work on a Mech build vs P that I could use as my standard ladder build.

Looking at the first batch of replays from Lyyna left me completely unconvinced. The theme of the replays was basically macro into BCs and take a fourth base, then take a nap on your keyboard while the Protoss randomly attacks the (surprisingly) undefeatable deathball, then rinse and repeat for the extension of 30+ minutes. I literally got bored watching those games and had me thinking that if that was the way to play Mech vs P then it isn't worth it at all. Protoss wasn't even doing warp prism drops, harassing with Void Rays, or even doing two-pronged attacks. So it was boring, and skeptical at best.

Then I look at Croc's replay and all I have to say is: Thank you for being realistic about the build. I'm glad you didn't sit on your ass for 30+ minutes when you had perfect opportunities to take out expansions and push forward. This demands the Protoss to react to your army and not allow him to set up harassment drops because without the full supply of his army, he has no chance of winning. You revitalized my desire to go Mech.

I really like the use of Barracks too. I've done that myself in the past, especially in open maps like Tal'darim Altar to lower the effectiveness of being surrounded. Only problem I see with the build is it has yet to be put up against a nimble style like gateway play.

On March 24 2012 00:28 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:


Its like this.

Hey guys ! have you played the new 6m2g map.?

Because we have less resource boths player stick for a long time with midgame army. I feel mech is viable in this mood.

And its harder for the protoss to do 1base allin on us. Also planetary fortress stronger and it helps terran to mass expand and fix the problem of immobility.

On March 24 2012 01:58 TigerKarl wrote:

If that's all you have to say about Mech TVP, then you should really think deeply if this is the right community for you.

On March 12 2012 12:51 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:


There is a korean mech player who beat slayers_brown (though it was more cus he defended a void proxy well, but still)
His name:뽀통령
Old name: 파동몬

There is someone I know komprezzor who is top masters on KR and also plays mech on it, and he showed me some interesting but solid builds.

MarineKingPrime used 뽀통령's build vs MC and beat him. No wonder he used a similar build vs Genius in the GSL, though it hit earlier (not sure why? Did he scout something that made him change? I can not figure this out. If someone can analyze and find out... that would be cool if you can share!) and with only 2 added reactor factories instead of 3 like in the replay where he used it vs MC here
http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-14693-0-ogsmc_p_-vs-marineking_t.html

Edit: 뽀통령 usually (always?) got a third base (sometimes hidden just for minerals, like on xel'naga -- though he does it a lot so perhaps it's not hidden, but rather a strategic position) with his build, so that's why he got 3 reactor factories instead of 2. MKP did not; he teched up and then took a later third, seeing the protoss couldn't take a third anyways, and guessing from MKP's choice it is more important to tech to make sure he can't hard counter your army (like get ghosts for immortals) than it is to have a bigger econ (having a better composition is more efficient than having 50% more econ)

On March 24 2012 06:37 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I found out his name is gorapadong (idk if that is his old name, or new name, or real name, etc. etc., maybe it is a nickname like mech king?)

Here is what I think may be his stream; no VODs though and doesn't seem he streams T_T
http://ko.justin.tv/mechainc_ori

Here's some more replays of Gorapadong:

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/terran/view.php?article_id=3445939&search=3&search_pos=&q=
(not sure if this poster is gorapadong himself or just a mech lover; his other posts seem to be all about mech as well. Too bad I can't read korean though. There is a fucking guide in korean for this mech build but I can't read it T_T all that glorious information... someone please translate??? :D)

Click on the XXXXXXXXX.SC2Replay names to download

There are a couple more you can find on that sc2 replay eu website that isn't in this pack and are a bit newer.

Also that is why MKP said "gorapadong" vs MC and MC made a crying face haha. So it seems clear that MC was definitely surprised by that kind of build, even though he may have known about gorapadong.

In other words? That kind of mech build is a great way to throw off your opponent and, if not, you can still transition well into the mid and late game. You get a shit load of hellions and can keep throwing them at your opponent, demonstrated by both gorapadong and MKP.

Edit:

OMG I WAS LOOKING FOR A TvP MECH GUIDE ON PLAYXP that i found back then (written within a few months?) I couldn't find it, but I found this new replay pack of mech! there's like 5-10 replays! Idk how good the players are but I'm guessing masters +

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/terran/view.php?article_id=3871036&search=1&search_pos=&q=

On March 24 2012 07:08 Lyyna wrote:
This is what mech is actually . . an underground movement. and saying u're meching instantly make you a bad player x)

On March 24 2012 02:03 crocodile wrote:

This Gyro_SC2 guy is a bit of a joke in this thread, don't worry about it.

On March 24 2012 06:37 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I found out his name is gorapadong (idk if that is his old name, or new name, or real name, etc. etc., maybe it is a nickname like mech king?)

Here is what I think may be his stream; no VODs though and doesn't seem he streams T_T
http://ko.justin.tv/mechainc_ori

Here's some more replays of Gorapadong:

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/terran/view.php?article_id=3445939&search=3&search_pos=&q=
(not sure if this poster is gorapadong himself or just a mech lover; his other posts seem to be all about mech as well. Too bad I can't read korean though. There is a fucking guide in korean for this mech build but I can't read it T_T all that glorious information... someone please translate??? :D)

Click on the XXXXXXXXX.SC2Replay names to download

There are a couple more you can find on that sc2 replay eu website that isn't in this pack and are a bit newer.

Also that is why MKP said "gorapadong" vs MC and MC made a crying face haha. So it seems clear that MC was definitely surprised by that kind of build, even though he may have known about gorapadong.

In other words? That kind of mech build is a great way to throw off your opponent and, if not, you can still transition well into the mid and late game. You get a shit load of hellions and can keep throwing them at your opponent, demonstrated by both gorapadong and MKP.

Edit:

OMG I WAS LOOKING FOR A TvP MECH GUIDE ON PLAYXP that i found back then (written within a few months?) I couldn't find it, but I found this new replay pack of mech! there's like 5-10 replays! Idk how good the players are but I'm guessing masters +

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/terran/view.php?article_id=3871036&search=1&search_pos=&q=

Edit2:

I watched the first 3 replays. Their APMs are about 90. Doesn't seem they are high masters nor GM on KR. Maybe only mid masters ish on NA, low master or high diamond on KR?

Maybe I'm wrong though, and they are high leveled.

On March 24 2012 10:44 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
I watch the game of lyyna and crocodile

the difference I notice

In the midgame
Lyyna makes a lot of thors to be safe again some protoss timing. (having thors make him turtle) Crocodile in the other hand do more marine, hellion and banshee and harass. His harass denied potentiel toss timing at some point. (but its more risky, but more aggressif)

Crocodile uses more static defence and I like it : barrack wall and planetary fortress...

In midgame
Lyyna got his BC faster but crocodile makes BC later and make mass banshee instead.
Having a lot of bashee give him more harass potentiel.

In lategame
Lyyna use more units: like the ghost, raven. Crocodile stick with BC+banshee+tank+thors+hellion

On March 24 2012 09:44 Gyro_SC2 wrote:


stop the hate !